Question: is it okay to ban kids from certain restaurants (or at certain times)?
Sunday, October 06, 2019
---Originally published in my own blog a couple of years ago, but the question persists because sometimes I just wonder. I copied and pasted most of the original blog here (minus photos and links, of course)---
#024–IS IT OKAY TO BAN KIDS FROM CERTAIN RESTAURANTS (OR AT CERTAIN TIMES)?
April 17, 2017
DISCLAIMER: I am not a parent, so I will humbly request that you put your pitchforks & torches away for a few minutes…or at least go sharpen the blades in a quiet corner. Thanks.
I don’t know how I ended up reading or researching on this a couple of weeks ago–I just know it’s an intriguing idea to ban kids from certain establishments or at certain times. And by “kids,” I’m thinking of anybody about age 10 or under…because by 6th grade I’d hope pre-teens would know how to behave in public.
Now I won’t EVER mean ALL restaurants–hell, McDonalds is an obvious kid-friendly place, as is Chuck E. Cheese and similar restaurants. They cater to kids and their families.
And don’t get me started on diners, casual or “coffee-shop” types. I do think they’re meant for families in some respects, but I gotta admit, I wonder about at least having time restrictions.
Seriously, a place that has high chairs and kids food that looks nothing like what adults would order…yeah, they’re more than aware of what kids “like” or will eat without fussing while adults get what they want. Most places like IHOP and Denny’s have hours where they entice families with kids to eat, like between 2 and 6 pm, give or take an hour. It works because there’s more staff, the kids aren’t super tired yet, and everybody can dig in and take their time.
I’ve read about restaurants not allowing kids up to about age 9 or 10 in after 7pm. I think that’s a pretty good policy, because when they’re in elementary school, and it’s a school night, at what time are they getting to bed? And for me, bedtime was impossible on a full stomach.
I’ve been to Starbucks in the middle of the week and there were 7 year old kids there with their parents until about 9pm–sheesh, when’s their bedtime? I think kids eating past 7 p.m. is a bit reckless…and where you eat is important.
I don’t have a problem with “no kids” restaurants, just as I don’t have a problem with kid-friendly restaurants.
But I do have issues with someone trying to make all restaurants be kid-friendly when many were never intended to be.
Certain restaurants are going to be geared toward a certain crowd, like people who want to enjoy themselves AWAY from kids for a while, or bars, or both.
I think certain things have to be taken into account when it comes to restaurants and their decision NOT to have kids in the door:
1. The decor–if there’s lots of expensive stuff on the walls and/or it’s a tiny establishment, the seating is at small tables that are rather intimate, I think it’s a bit ridiculous to go demanding a high chair for the baby that probably takes up as much floor space as the table (never mind lack of room for the “stroller”–some of those things are bigger than Smart cars!)
2. The prices–I don’t date much (okay, ever) but if I went out to a place where you’d expect to drop about $50 and up per person–hell, even $25 and up per person because I’m cheap–and was a nice place with unique food and flavors, I’d be totally pissed off if a family with a bunch of screaming and squirming kiddos came in. Let’s face it–it’s not just the food that people are paying for, it’s the atmosphere, the service, the experience. And if someone’s forking over THAT much money, they SHOULD have a decent, quiet time.
3. The menu–frankly, I don’t understand taking kids to bars (I’ll tell that story another day). Now, restaurants WITH a bar, like a Chili’s or Red Lobster or something, they are usually big enough to have families with kids far away from the alcohol (and thus, from the adults trying to drink and relax who don’t want to hear the kids while they’re trying to mingle). Some places also don’t have the dreaded kid’s menus. Those places either won’t cater to the kid crowd or if they do, they’re willing to make a half-sized portion for a certain amount of money. However, I once heard a woman get irritable because the cook couldn’t (or wouldn’t) make a cheese pizza for her 6-or-7 year old because he only wanted pizza. I don’t remember which restaurant we were at exactly, but it was a MEXICAN restaurant… and they were okay with less spices and smaller sized plates for kiddos (and no, they didn’t have “Mexican Pizza” on the menu). I kept thinking she should’ve left her son with a babysitter and got Little Caesars on the way home, or just got him the cheese enchiladas and said “eat or go hungry.” (And now I wish I’d stuck around to see what the verdict was–hee hee).
I can already hear the “my child is always well-behaved” line, as I’ve heard it before a thousand times. Well, unfortunately, all it takes is one bad day for the kid to be a cranky nut in the wrong place and give the opposite impression (and make other people angry). It sucks that we always seem to remember the negatives more than the positives, but it’s true…and other diners don’t know your kid like you do.
So, should kids of certain ages be banned from restaurants? Not all restaurants, that’s for sure. Some restaurants have certainly benefited from the restriction, and others wouldn’t. Frankly, if the place is catered toward kids and families, then have fun…but at reasonable times of day. Cut-off at 7 pm, if not a bit earlier, is sensible to me.
I think kids need to be allowed to eat out. It’s a great chance for the kid to learn public table manners. If they have good manners at kid-friendly places and then casual dining places, they’ll be more prepared for those higher-end restaurants (so they won’t embarrass their future prom date, maybe?).
But honestly–if a place is pricey, quiet, intimate, doesn’t have a kid’s menu, or high chairs, or changing tables, or has a very prominent and lengthy bar, or no room for the Mighty Strollers…give some poor Millennial a chance to earn some extra cash through babysitting while you enjoy a night out.