INTOTHENEW - Help me please - which post by the RD clarified the definition? I've read back through this entire thread and I must have missed the post from the RD. I saw a couple links to sites by registered dietitians but each have their own definitions. Some excluded animal products, some said more than half of food from plants, another (whole food plant based) said only unprocessed plant based foods. The common thread they had was that they started out by defining what they meant by a PBD since there is no industry standard.
“INTOTHENEW. I’m pleased to see you are looking at vegan in a positive light. I have an Ornish book and have also read Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease by Dr Caldwell Esselstyn. There are many good documentaries too.”
You assume the wrong facts, and infer even worse from them.
INTOTHENEW. I’m pleased to see you are looking at vegan in a positive light. I have an Ornish book and have also read Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease by Dr Caldwell Esselstyn. There are many good documentaries too.
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“The food you eat can be either the safest and most powerful form of medicine or the slowest form of poison.” - Ann Wigmore
Yes, our family is plant based. We eat fruits/veggies with all meals and most snacks. Often I serve 2-3 fruits/veggies with lunch/dinner. We try to buy/make high quality whole grains, minimally processed. Nuts, seeds, nut butters are a huge staple in our home. I try to use beans quite a bit. We do still eat meat - all of it, but I would estimate that we eat red meat maybe 1-2 times per month, pork is maybe once every few months, chicken is once or twice a week and fish is in there as well. We eat eggs a few times a week (I eat them more than the kids because they are healthy, filling and quick/easy), cheese is occasional. We keep whole cows milk in our fridge, but also keep various nut milks. I am actually switching back to cow's milk a little bit more as it really does just have a better nutrition profile in comparison to nut milks. That said, we review the sources of almost all of our animal products. We are aiming for organic, free-range, grass-fed, etc. We try to buy from local sources, so we KNOW how they were raised. We have been getting eggs from a co-worker, etc.
I find it funny how some people are so very much on one side or the other. In reading through the first numerous comments on this thread SO many people (and so many of my patients I work with) want to be vegan/vegetarian, but do it in such an unhealthy way. What's the point!? To me, it's almost like another "fad" diet out there. Everyone wants to be able to say they eat a certain diet or follow a specific plan, but why!? I tell everyone that I will never put a label on myself. We can go weeks without making meat in our house, but I'm not vegetarian or vegan. I still enjoy chicken and salmon and the occasional hamburger. It's all about moderation and what you do the rest of the time. You can't be vegan and sit on your butt living a life without movement and still be at your optimal health. It's an all encompassing thing.
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Better check out what actual nutrition researchers have said about that book. It's one person's pretty uninformed opinion. In an attractive package but still NOT good nutrition. You'll reap the results of his mistaken notions no matter have emphatically worded his advice. It's NOT sound.
Plant based is pretty much everything that does not contains chemicals or synthesized ingredients. I have severe acne like this: http://accutaneforacne.com/acne/ and therefore I started with a plant based diet to get it under control. Fruits and vegetables are easy to digest and, as you can imagine, help your body regain its rhythm after long periods when you have been eating junks. Yogurts, should you not suffer from a hidden dairy allergy, can also improve your digestion with helpful bacteria and treat acne break outs. accutaneforacne.com/acne/
Currently no, but I am working towards a plant based diet. Never going to give up dairy or red meat completely. I would like to get to where I am eating red meat around once a month. I am just starting the Meditteranean diet and trying to work on getting Dr. Gregor's daily dozen in. Harder than I thought.
A plant based diet/lifestyle is similar to vegan but avoids oil, sugar, salt and processed foods. For those with heart disease read Dr. Dean Ornish new book called Undo It. Or his other books, Reverse Heart “Disease or Eat More Weigh Less. He has other very good books but these 3 are my favorites.
I'm working on improving my lifestyle and going plant based. My problem is a huge sweet tooth and little will power.”
A plant based diet/lifestyle is similar to vegan but avoids oil, sugar, salt and processed foods. For those with heart disease read Dr. Dean Ornish new book called Undo It. Or his other books, Reverse Heart Disease or Eat More Weigh Less. He has other very good books but these 3 are my favorites.
I'm working on improving my lifestyle and going plant based. My problem is a huge sweet tooth and little will power.
I'm part omnivore and part herbivore, so I enjoy the best of both. I tried going vegetarian some years back, but it just didn't make my body feel very good. I seem to be a person who needs extra protein - and by that, I mean, about 90 protein grams per day - or more if I'm recovering from illness or injury.
Legumes are something of a miracle food for me (I'm diabetic). They bring my blood sugar readings down pronto. Would I be pleased to sit down with friends and enjoy an entirely vegetarian meal? You betcha! We're talking some really delicious food here, folks!
Hi,I am trying the same thing. I was referred to a clinic where they promote Plant based eating. My main concern was not being able to loose weight. I have pretty much changed although the odd time I have eggs and I still eat seafood. I would say I am 80% there but I have also put on weight so very frustrated. I do see the logic with plan based dieting and on a FB group. These people are all loosing weight but then there are those that say it isn't a weight loss way of eating. Its very frustrating to be changing and not loosing so any suggestions would be great. I also have been getting bloating and gassy which isn't nice at all. If you have any suggestions I'd love to hear them
I have just started a plant based diet and although I have wavered a bit I have pretty much been sticking to it. My huge problem is my weight isn't moving at all and I need to loose weight. Any suggestions? I have to say I think its a better way of eating but my main goal is loosing weight right now.
I have been ovo-lacto vegetarian and occasional pescatarian (fish) for 27 years. I've lost weight, I've gained weight, I've been healthy, and I've been unhealthy. When I have gained weight, it is when I don't get even a basic amount of plants. When you track your food, and you see that you haven't eaten a green or leafy vegetable in days, you realize that can't be good for you. Sweets and salty foods along with mindless eating have been my downfall. I's amazing how much low nutrient foods are vegetarian. What to do about it?
I've read Dr. Fuhrman's Eat To Live several times and follow a blog called Hello Nutritarian and decided to kick start my new year off with this vegan, no oil, no salt shift. Can't say that I've completely conquered the no oil, no salt part, but have significantly reduced my use of both. Much like when I became a vegetarian, the hardest part of the change has been what to cook/eat. What I mean is that I have a set of "go to" breakfasts, lunches and dinners and now I need to create a different set of "go to" meals. I've modified some of my existing meals, but am enjoying discovering new things to cook. Yes, it takes a little more time (for me) to follow Eat to Live primarily because I'm cooking more myself (prepping, chopping, etc.) vs relying on commercially prepared items.
This has been the honeymoon period of veganism for me as I'm still off work for the holidays. However, back to work Monday and then lots of travel planned where I will have to eat out. People do it all the time, but once again, I have to change what my "go to" meals will be when I travel as well.
BTW, really great to see so many other people talking about plant-based diets here.
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“The answer lies in farm and sanitation practices. We humans used to get plenty of B 12 from drinking untreated water and eating bits of dirt on food. But over-farming (which has virtually sterilized our soil) and our water purification practices (which have sterilized our water), have created B 12 deficiency in humans and farmed animals both. “
I'm a few years into maintenance now and I'm currently transitioning to a more whole foods, plant based woe. I'll never go completely plant based though- my health markers are already excellent so I'm just tweaking things at this point.
I do a mesh of the DASH diet/Blue Zones guidelines. I eat 800g+ of vegetables and fruit every day, 2-3 servings of whole grains and a serving of beans daily, and then a serving of low fat Greek yogurt every day, fish once a week, red meat 2-3 times a month etc. Right now I'm focused on upping my beans intake and would like to get this closer to 2-3 servings a day.
I'm not fond of labels but I'd be called a Flexitarian if I had to chose one.
Edited by: SARAJJ3 at: 1/2/2019 (16:32)
~*Sara*~ 5+ years into maintenance (current bmi is 22.8). Transitioning to a more whole foods, plant based woe (following a mesh of DASH diet and Blue Zones).
NIGHTGLOW - had to respond to your comments about B12.
"If a vegan diet is the reason we’re not getting B12 and meat is the only source, then how do animals get B12 from eating a vegan diet?" I would suggest that you read up on ruminant nutrition (cows, sheep, goats are all ruminants). B12 is produced in their rumens (one of their 4 stomachs) by microbiological fermentation. Non-ruminants (pigs, chickens) produce much less as their guts process their food differently. In both cases, B12 is actually produced by bacteria inside their gut, not by the animal itself. Same with humans getting it from dirt - dirt does not contain B12 but rather microorganisms that produce it.
And the other part - "Factory animals receive B12 shots." B12 can be a component of a B-complex injection that may be given to sick animals as a boost since sometimes their rumens are either not yet functioning or suppressed due to their illness. But routine shots (of a water soluble vitamin) to all animals? Nope.
Not totally, but definitely more plants, nuts, seeds, and beans than I use to. I watched 'In Defense of Food', and something clicked for me.I still enjoy eggs and yogurt almost daily, but switched to almond and cashew milk (mainly because I'm not that fond of cow's milk). "Eat Foods. Mostly Plants. Not Too Much."
My wife and I watched all the standards (Forks over Knives, What the Health, etc.) and took the plunge in January, 2017, using the FoK transition suggestions: All plant-based breakfasts in week one; All plant-based breakfasts AND lunches the second week and then in the third week we were totally plant-based. At first we promoted the idea of "Vegan Easting", but soon tired of getting the "stink-eye" from friends when we used the word "vegan". We determined that everyone thought we were becoming PITA people but assured them that the only thing "pita" about us was what we made some of our sandwiches with. We are now plant-based and have realized the benefits in lower cholesterol, triglycerides, sugar sucrose levels in our blood, etc.
Weight loss was simply an accidental side effect of our food intake changes, but we are trying to make that part work better for us.
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This "plant based diet" phrase is just a euphemism for vegan, and it needn't be. Plants are great, animals are great. Stop trying to pit one against the other. What we need to get away from is the industrial food system whether it be plant or animal. The vast majority of studies don't even address this. Comparing CAFO meat and dairy to vegetables isn't the important study, it's comparing traditional foods to industrial foods.
Nobody can have it all, you can only have what you love most.
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Happy vegan here for 10 years now. There is literally no nutrient that we need that can *only* be found in animal-based products. There is a myth about B12, but as someone already answered, B12 is naturally found in soil and fresh water.
Living a natural life and eating as close to 100% organic as you can get, will provide you with enough B12, and if you're in doubt, it's easy enough to just take a vitamin pill. :)
Edited by: CATSDOGSPIGEONS at: 6/24/2018 (01:00)
“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” —Genesis 1:30
“Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.” —Matthew 5:7
Though I did lose some weight on a plant based diet, in the long run it was not good for me. I felt sick and weak a lot of the time, even while taking the recommended supplements. To each their own, it just didn't work out for me.
I was a lacto-ovo-pescetarian (basically, I didn't eat meat, but did eat dairy, eggs & fish) for several years. I have gradually added in a small amount of meat and am eating far less dairy.
I now eat a small portion of meat (chicken, fish, beef, etc.) a few times a week, very little dairy and mostly eat a lot of fruits, vegetables, grains, seeds and legumes.
I feel a lot better and am more nutritionally balanced now. I don't feel that any particular diet is good for all people; we have to do what makes us feel our best and is providing us the nutrition that we need.
Edited by: PERSERVERANCE71 at: 9/26/2017 (12:47)
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