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4/2/19 7:33 A

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There is some sound information here. My relationship with food is becoming healthier as I work to redefine food based on it being energy as opposed to a celebration, entertainment, or an emotional band aid. Exercise has been the key for me. That way my body is determining what I need instead of my mind. Learning to listen to it and learn the language of my body has been difficult but it gets easier as I continue to work at it, learn, read and absorb information from others like the comments below, particularly the words from @NIRERIN Best wishes to you and thank you to everyone who responded. You are helping.

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NOCGIRL- If you don't put enough gas in your car, what happens? If you keep doing it it eventually starts to damage your car, especially if you are running the other fluids like oil the same way. In a car, you can sell it off and get a new one but you only get one body.
If I were to summarize what we have learned from starvation studies, studies of weightloss and studies of "normal" people I would say this. As we age beyond about 25 our bodies slowly start burning fewer calories each day. It's a small amount, but over 15 years it adds up somewhere in the 100-150 calories a day range. Being more active and strength training can mitigate to eliminate this issue to a point, but all other things equal our bodies stop repairing stuff bit by bit as we age, which translates to fewer calories burned each day. People who have dramatically cut calories for a portion of time tend to have slower than average calories burned even after they go back to more normalish eating (see starvation diet studies and just about every former Biggest Loser contestant). Yes, you could argue that they had slightly slower metabolisms to begin with, but huge calorie deficits exacerbate the problem. Basically if a slower metabolism to start with is a nail in your tire, eating far too few calories is hammering a second nail in a second tire. If you look at the difference between men and women and weight, men have a higher muscle mass and have an "easier" time losing weight. People with higher muscle mass in general have a wider margin of error to work with. In other words, if two people are the same sex, age, weight and height, but one of them carries around ten more pounds of muscle than the other, the one that carries around the extra muscle is going to burn a few hundred calories more per day. And let's be honest here. Fitting a thousand calorie meal into a 2400 calorie diet is a lot easier than working it into a 2000 calorie diet, which is a lot easier than working it into a 1500 calorie diet and it's pretty much impossible to do in a 1200 or below diet. The more muscle you have, the more room and margin of error you are playing with. It's hard to build and maintain muscle if you are eating too few calories, at least on a regular basis. And all of this is without knowing what basic repairs your body is skipping because it doesn't have the calories available to perform them.

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3/30/19 3:23 A

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Yes...it can and it does. Years ago, my then, 16-year-old, daughter got caught up in this trap and things spun totally out of control. The caloric and nutritional deprivation was enough that she became unable to think straight and then became anorexic. It affected her brain. I'm afraid that it still does.

I found her one day, scantily clad, standing in front of a full-length mirror, and crying crocodile tears. I asked her what was wrong and she said "Just look at this Mommy...there's fat everywhere on me". "Where?", I asked. "Can't you see it, Mom?". OK Sweetie...take my hand and put it on the places you think are fat." She replied; "So, is this what it means to get old? First, you can't see too good and then you lose your hearing". The tears had stopped, replaced by fury that I couldn't perceive the obvious (to her) and all the while, her body looked as if she were a concentration camp survivor. This was the most frightening moment I experienced raising this particular daughter.

She is married now with 2 fine sons, but they are all overly-fixated on dieting...Paleo...Keto...you name it. As long as the new routine kicks the carbs to the side, that's the diet for them. Even the 8-year-old, their youngest, is worried about gaining weight (he is pitifully thin). They don't want to become like Gram, who has 110 pounds to lose to reach a healthy weight (40 down and 70 to go). I can't do more than to model a healthy relationship with food before them...and to pray and to show them, by example, that Gram knows what a healthy weight is and how to get there...even if it takes a few years to the finish line (and it likely will).

Actually...I don't think there really is a finish line to this weight loss thing. I just learned from my Kaiser Permanente Healthy Weight class (moderated by a Registered Dietician) that obesity should be considered a chronic illness...like diabetes. You never actually get cured, but the disease can go into remission. This is where real diligence needs to come into play. Keeping obesity in remission means maintaining my healthy weight (once I get there) for the rest of my life. I'm in my sunset years now, but I want this sunset to be truly beautiful, with all the benefits that come along with robust health. I don't know what a day will bring forth for me, but it makes sense to build toward a brighter tomorrow and stay here on Terra Firma for as long as I can. Things sure weren't looking too good last August.

Enough for now. I notice that we haven't heard from you in a while. You have so many friends here who want to see you succeed at your goals in a healthy way. Come back. You're in safe company!

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3/27/19 12:37 A

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Elengil,
Thanks for reminding me of that feature. I'd forgotten that!

I have stopped drinking this beverage. Google says 90% is eliminated in urine & I can certainly verify that! I dashed to bathroom every 20-30 minutes. Even though it causes diarrhea for some, I feel like to contributes to my problems in the opposite way. So I'm trying to find something that is at least slightly tasty with some caffeine and healthy components.

"If the problem isn't hunger, then food isn't the solution."

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3/16/19 5:56 A

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COLUMBINE2 you also have the option to add your own entry so you can put the correct info on your tracker. Under the search button on the nutrition page is the 'Enter food not listed' option.

I practice intermittent fasting and keto
Diet Doctor Dr. Jason Fung www.dietdoctor.com/authors/d
r-jason-fung-m-d

Intensive Dietary Management idmprogram.com/blog/
Guide to low carb eating www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/
keto/visual-guides

About The Obesity Code www.bewell.com/blog/q-dr-jas
on-fung-book-obesity-code/

Keto Christina www.youtube.com/channel/UCqP
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3/16/19 12:31 A

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The nutrition facts from SP on a beverage I drink are significantly incorrect on our nutrition tracker. I answered the question: "Are these correct?" and listed them the ingredient facts from beverage container. Will that be enough to get it corrected so my nutrition facts (and other people's) are correct? My nutrition report is inaccurate & messing up my daily report.

The product is Bia Antioxidant Infusion. Flavor: Costa Rica Clementine

Edited by: COLUMBINE2 at: 3/16/2019 (00:34)
"If the problem isn't hunger, then food isn't the solution."

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@JOANIEDEE thank you for drawing that to my attention. For some reason I hadn't noticed it.

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3/15/19 12:44 P

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SlimmerKiwi,

Quote:"My trainer says I’m not eating enough and it’s going to cause less weight loss."unquote

Joanie


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Q "Does eating too few calories really harm you?"

A If it is only on a very odd occasion, then it won't harm you, but when it is regular or semi regular, yes, it can do considerable harm to your health, AND your metabolism.


"I have it in my head the less I eat the more weight I will lose. I have an unhealthy relationship with food."

I strongly suggest that you talk with your Dr about what you are doing and what you want to achieve. It may be that bloods could indicated something medical which is influencing your weight.

I would also ask your Dr for a referral to a Registered Dietitian AND a Therapist who specializes in treating people who have disordered eating issues.

"I have a personal trainer who is also very well versed on nutrition."

1. What qualifications does your personal trainer have to give advice? Be aware that nutritionists often aren't Registered Dietitian (who have to undergo extensive study to become registered) and have very little, if any, training, and in fact many seem to become 'qualified' by filling in a certificate in from inside a cereal packet.

2. What recommendation is your personal trainer giving regarding nutrition?

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3/14/19 11:08 P

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@NOCGIRL You stated: "I have it in my head the less I eat the more weight I will lose. I have an unhealthy relationship with food. "

Which means that you already know that it is your mindset and emotions that need to be addressed, and that you know that you need to learn how to keep food and fitness in a healthy place in your life. I deeply hope that you will talk with your doctor about this and get a referral for some counseling to help you find a happier and healthier path.

Apart from the mental and emotional issues, which will be made worse by following a Very Low Calorie Diet, the calorie count itself is not actually the most important thing. The purpose of food is to provide nutrition, and it is possible (very difficult, but possible) to ingest an adequate supply of vitamins and minerals and protein and essential fatty acids while eating a VLCD. The very strong recommendation to only try to do so with medical supervision is because it is SO difficult, and malnutrition from nutrient deficiencies can be very dangerous to your physical and mental well-being.

You can refer to the listings here for vitamins and minerals and see what the symptoms of deficiencies are:
www.sparkpeople.com/resource/reference_vit
amins.asp

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erals.asp


As for other short-term impacts from following VLCD, you can check out these articles:
www.healthline.com/nutrition/calorie-restr
iction-risks

www.webmd.com/diet/low-calorie-diets#1

As already mentioned, following VLCD can cause long-term slowing of the metabolism, which can be considered a bad thing (because it means you will have to permanently limit your calories or quickly gain weight --- which means permanently fighting to make sure you are getting in adequate nutrients). There are some studies out there indicating that for those who do get in adequate nutrients, the overall slowing of metabolism can actually extend life --- again, though, it means lifelong attention to getting as many nutrients as possible from the small amount of calories.

For the majority of us, the incredible attention to detail required to follow a VLCD healthfully is not something that can be sustained for more than a short period of time - and it will inevitably be followed by a quick re-gain and more health issues.

Please see your doctor, make sure that you aren't already suffering from nutrient deficiencies, and get some help in correcting your relationship with yourself and food.

Sir Terry Pratchett: "Science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. It is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good."

"The Inuit Paradox" ( discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-
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): "...there are no essential foods—only essential nutrients. And humans can get those nutrients from diverse and eye-opening sources. "

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3/14/19 12:45 P

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Here is the great paradox of calories: eating too little will just slow your metabolism down, making weight loss *slower*, not faster. It is absolutely counter productive to eat so little because you'll be hurting your weight loss efforts.


I practice intermittent fasting and keto
Diet Doctor Dr. Jason Fung www.dietdoctor.com/authors/d
r-jason-fung-m-d

Intensive Dietary Management idmprogram.com/blog/
Guide to low carb eating www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/
keto/visual-guides

About The Obesity Code www.bewell.com/blog/q-dr-jas
on-fung-book-obesity-code/

Keto Christina www.youtube.com/channel/UCqP
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NOCGIRL,

Let's say, you were to continue eating less than 1,000 calories a day until you've reached your goal weight. What then ? Do you go back to eating the way you did before you started the diet or do you continue to eat 1,000 or less a day for life ?

When someone decides they need to lose weight, they are almost always in a panic. All they want to know is what is the fastest way to get it off. By eating less, of course ! You're only on week 10. How will you feel 10 months from now ? Is this the way you want to eat for the rest of your life ?

How long did it take for you to gain the weight ? Years ? then you can't expect the weight to come off fast just because you're eating less and less. If it took you years to gain the weight, it could take years to get it off. Why ? it's because losing weight isn't really about eating less. it's about learning to find the right amount of calories and nutrients that will not only help a person lose weight, but to keep it off.

What has happened in past, when you went on a low calorie diet ? Did you lose the weight only to regain it ? If so, then you're on track to fail. And I don't say that to be mean. this is something that has happened to us all.

Instead of eating less. think of ways the food you eat nourishes your body and makes it stronger and fitter. because if you continue to eat this way, you will be starving your body of the vital nutrients it needs to be fit and strong. At some point, all the workouts you're doing are going to start wearing you out and wearing you down. You're on the road to burn out.

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You can lose more weight this way, but not in a healthy way. You will be losing muscle as well as fat. This is called starvation. If you feel that this is "what you need to do" then I suggest you get counseling.



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The previous posters are giving you some good advice. In addition to making weight loss more difficult in the long run- maybe not right now, but eventually- it's also impossible to get all of the nutrients your body needs on a daily basis with so few calories. Weight loss aside, it's bad for your health.

I would recommend slowly increasing your calories until you're in the range your SP program suggests.

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3/14/19 6:19 A

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If you are consistently eating that little, that is not healthy. If it's been an ongoing issue, you may want to consider counseling.

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"I have it in my head the less I eat the more weight I will lose. I have an unhealthy relationship with food."

- Message Posted by: NOCGIRL - 3/13/2019

I would start here. Our bodies are vehicles for our spirit/mind. The human body vehicle has specific fueling and other needs. I would suggest focus on meeting those needs and avoiding polluting your vehicle. I think the results you see will be more gratifying than a number on a scale. JMO.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever exercises faith in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16


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I am on week 10 of a fitness and nutrition plan. I have a personal trainer who is also very well versed on nutrition. I am 46 with no major health issues. I’ve lost around 20 lbs and a ton of inches and starting to get muscle definition esp in my arms. . I hate being weighed and only weigh on monthly.

I’ve been eating great with only a couple slip ups. 3 days in 10 weeks I went off diet but I’ve remained mostly compliant

I track everything I eat on MyFitnessPal. My trainer says I’m not eating enough and it’s going to cause less weight loss.

I admit most days I eat between 800-900 calories, at least 75 oz of water a day. anywhere from 90-115g if orotein. Sugar less than 20g. Net carbs usually between 25-40. I need 25g of fiber a day.

I have it in my head the less I eat the more weight I will lose. I have an unhealthy relationship with food.

Today I’m at 812 calories and it’s almost bed time so I will have a quest 100 cal 22g protein shake. That will get me to about 912. I will be at 132g of protein. 32g fiber. About 38g net carbs. 17g sugar. I went a little crazy on the green beans for dinner.

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