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CalGal,

Thanks! I will do :)

I'm in it for the long haul. I appreciate the support everyone.

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Hi James,

I'm just concerned about the correct ratio as my weight-loss is not consistent this early on. Yes, I do consider all the good things about eating Keto. Im loosing inches and my stomach doesnt feel or look bloated. No I'm not needing insulin. I check my sugars everyday. The highest I've been since starting keto is 126. I was 109 last night after dinner. That's a huge improvement from 320 or 226. Metformin always gave my stomach trouble so I stopped it too. The doctor hasn't taken me off. Since my sugars are low, I stopped. This is my second time having type 2 as I beat it before.

As for weight loss, I calculated 6 months too regarding loosing the last 37 pounds. I was told that I should not do intermittent fasting yet. Well I do and some days not on purpose because of my work schedule. My calories vary because some days I'm hungry some days I'm not as hungry some days I eat 2 meals while others I eat 3 meals. Sorry I couldn't give you a number. Last I used the keto calculator it said to eat 1,470 calories.

Thanks!

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James, I believe if you are getting adequate protein that the starvation *mode* really isn't a factor. Protein is so important as a building block of everything. Yes, I personally have to be careful and watch how much I eat, but I'm shooting for about 80-90 g a day of protein. I'm still able to stay in keto (I test daily) so I'm happy with it. Somedays its more protein, somedays its a bit less.

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Lilly, so I can assume you are in a calorie deficit? Whatever way of eating we follow, calories still count. So you may need to lower fat or protein (I think we should have a minimum amount of protein every day. Its too important to skimp) You may also want to measure your carbs by total carbs and not net. That has worked best for me. The last suggestion is to weigh/measure what you eat and TRACK. If you don't know how much you are eating there is really no way to know how much you are eating. LOL. Unfortunately, its the most onerous part of weight loss...
Finally, it isn't always BIG losses. I had a long period of no registerable weight loss,but finally started losing again. Sometimes we are healing our insides as we follow keto and that doesn't always register as loss. But good things are happening. Just keep at it. If you go another couple weeks with NO loss, then consider recalibrating.

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BLKLILY,

Yes probably 3 or 4 pounds of water in week one, plus a pound of body fat. Consider all the good things about eating Keto. Weight loss can be one of them. But secondly, in your case, you were taking insulin and metformin to control your blood sugar. Where is that now? Still needing insulin?

As for weight loss. One burns roughly say 1800 calories a day. Probably more than 900, and less than 2800, so I'm just picking a middle number out of the air. If you have cut calories from say 2400 a day down to 1800 ( to keep from gaining weight) and cut another 600, down to 1200, well you've cut your daily intake in half. You shortage is 600 a day. After a week that is a shortage of 4200. A pound of body fat stores 3600 calories. So a pound a week is pretty good. Anyone who wants to loose weight wishes it were faster. If you cut calories further down to say 1000, you could probably get at most 2 pounds of fat loss a week. That is it. But somewhere close to there your body changes its efficiency too. It says wait a minute, calories are scarce, I think I'll loose less through body heat, and I'll make body movement more efficient, less twitching, slower less jerky movement.

This is known as "starvation mode". I don't know if this mode really exists, but somewhere around 1000 calories is where most folks, for themselves say enough cutting. 37 pounds to go, I'll hazard a guess and say 24 weeks for that.

How many grams of net carbs (not counting fibre) are you eating in a day?

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Hi CalGal98!

I lost like 5 pounds my first week. I read that was just water weight. Then, week two I only lost 1 pound. I'm in week three and have lost 1 more. Something isn't right so that's why I'm wondering if I need to recaluate my ratios unless losing 1 pound a week is the norm. From what I'm reading, that isn't the norm.

I'm 37 pounds away from my goal. I might want to loose more, but I want to loose that first. I highly believe things will work out as I'm going to stay the course. I just want to be doing or eating correctly regarding my ratios.

Thanks for asking!

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Lily, are you still losing weight and how close are you to your goal?


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Oh ok lol no worries. The keto calculator is a tool used to help one calculate your protein, fat and calorie intake. I did it once, but I've lost 7 pounds since and am wondering do I recalculate or not.

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I must profess ignorance (or maybe just being plain dumb) but what does a Keto calculator do?

I myself have a 6% rule. I eat things that have 6% of their weight as net carbs (or less of course).

Maybe Erin has a Keto calculator site for you. She is usually here everyday,Nbult maybe with memorial weekend she is taking a vacation.

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Thanks James. My blood sugar was so bad this time around I was on insulin and metformin. Again haven't taken my meds in over two weeks. I'm going to go back to my doctor in a couple of weeks to do another panel so I can get off my meds completely. Keto has really dropped my sugars.

Anyway, I'm in it for the long haul. I hate taking a needle and I was starting to bruise from the pricking.

Can you or anyone recommend an easy and not so complicated keto calculator? I had a site and lost it.

Thanks!

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Welcome!

I'm a type-2 diabetic myself. While not in insulin, I was at the very maximum oral rise of medication, both metformin and sitagliptin. It was 12 years of pills for me, and now close to five years drug free. My blood sugar is managed, but I'm not cured. The other day I ate lentil based stew and threw me over the edge, but all in all I'm happy to have a drug free life.

But on to you. Pretty much everybody's daily protein needs are about 70 grams a day. Lower and you aren't providing enough to maintain muscles and organs. This page says 46 grams a day for women, 56 for men, but that is an absolute minimum:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_Refe
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However at 100 or more grams of protein a day and you will either be OK, or your body can turn the excess protein into glucose (and raise your blood sugar) via a process called gluconeogenesis.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogene
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As for carbs, your body can live healthily on zero, but the problem is most foods have some carbs, so they can't be totally avoided. This page
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carb
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"Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans." I don't calculate how many carbs to have, I avoid them as much as I reasonably can. I usually end up eating about 30 grams a day, 50 on a high day, but those days are rare. At 90 grams my blood sugar is not under control.

The word essential means you need to get it from food, but not essential means you don't need it.

So at 4 calories per gram of protein, and 70 grams of that are 280 calories, and carbs are pretty low, like let's say 40 grams a day, another 160 calories, you've got a lot left. So the rest of the calories come from fat.

As for fat, you will find a daily minimum is about 65 grams, but that is a minimum. So there you have some of the science of it all. I by the way am a retired physics guy, that is why the science of it all interests me.

Oh yes, the longer you eat Keto the less pull carbs have on you, the more even your hunger is. A great way of eating. Stick with us here.

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Hello Everyone! I started keto 2 weeks ago to date and am going into my 3rd week. A very close Spark friend told me about keto. I've tried "diets" and failed them. Keto is different and as excited I am to keep going, I'm also overwhelmed. It is partially my fault because I love to learn so I've joined groups and various sites for weekly tips, newsletters and recipes. In all, I used to be heavy on Spark, but not so much anymore. I hope to learn more from the group. I hope to lose at least 30 pounds and stop taking my insulin for type 2 diabetes. Since starting keto, I've only taken my insulin once because my blood sugars are 110 and under. The keto flu was an experience. I'm glad that's over.

Now that I've lost some pounds, I'm wondering do I need to recaluate my protein, fat and carbs? I appreciate the feedback.

Thanks and here's to you & your keto :)

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JROBIN50,
I'm glad you are here. Among other things in my life I also did some research in physics, so I have a mathematical, analytic way of looking at things, including nutrition. I started a ketogenic diet quite by accident. I wanted to loose weight, and it was a diet. The more success I had with it, the more I looked into why, and the science and nutrition of it.

For the moment, I'll just pull up one link. I hope you don't mind wikipedia. Here is the wikipedia page on carbohydrates:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate

Somewhere on that page you can find this sentence:
"Carbohydrates are a common source of energy in living organisms; however, no carbohydrate is an essential nutrient in humans."

There you have it. Carbohydrates are not a required nutrient in humans. Carbohydrates also raise blood sugar and impact hunger, and insulin controls blood sugar, but it does so by packing excess carbs out of the way into cells, including fat cells. So this makes loosing body fat hard to do. Loosing body fat at the same time as eating carbs is really problematic, since your body is in fat storage mode.

Anyway, plenty more science in this way of eating. As a type-2 diabetic I'm hooked. Frankly it is a one way street for me. If I stop eating a ketogenic diet, then I have to take my diabetes medication, and gain weight back as the diabetes medication makes my insulin more effective. Unless I find a way out, I'm stuck here. But it is a very good place to be. I'm eating tastier, healthier things than I had previously eaten, and enjoying them more than I did before too.

Hunger subsides on a Ketogenic diet as your fat stores are easier to access. So if your goal is weight loss, that too is possible with less hunger.

Glad you're here, it is a great team, and I don't say that just because I'm one of the team leaders.

James



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Hello, and thanks for the welcome. Note: no longer working. I chose the Ketogenic diet after several days of reading (trips to the library) and web research on diets in general. I was a licensed practical years ago so I have managed to retain some basic medical knowledge and I've never lost the need to learn. I've used all the excuses everyone does and have struggled throughout the years with weight gain and yo-yoing. But enough is enough, obesity is not fun and I've never been this far out there. This diet just makes sense for me. The science is there. I think I will be able to lose, it will be the continuing challenge after I reach my goal. Bad habits are so hard to break. I'm hoping it works for "the older set" too. I know I can't physically exercise as hard and long as I use to. I use to walk to lose; never was a jogger but I could walk. Now... well, that is hard. I've found I can ride a bicycle still so guess will be my main cardio... for now, not giving up on the walking. Love the tools here too. Trying to help better half with diet too.

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JROBIN50,

Welcome!

I read your home page. You are 66 years old, you've quit smoking, you work in a medical office at a sedentary job and you've gained weight since quitting smoking. You don't like taking medications.

I hope that captures it. I too don't like taking medications. I've been on a few different ones over the years, anti-inflammatories, blood sugar, thyroid. By switching to a ketogenic diet I've managed to get down to just the thyroid, and I'm working on that one.

Weight loss is also easier with this type of diet, because carbs and insulin are so low.

I'm curious. You are happy to find a Keto group. What has guided you in that direction? I think it is a fantastic direction, I'm much healthier for it.

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Hi Corine,

Welcome back. So glad to see you here.
Why I love Keto is; Fat heals, fat keeps me full, fat satisfies me, fat helps craving so I can stick to plan. I get to eat!!
I failed on plans were I was always starving, hungry and never satisfied. Now I can if I choose go all day long without eating just having a luscious fatty coffee, sipping it all morning supplying me with ton of energy, so I can accomplish what I want and need to get done with a sharp mind and tons of energy.
I love food, seriously and I love to prepare food. Beautiful cuts of meat, salads, green veggies and or cauliflower mash, or riced. Great fat bomb desserts, coffees that feel like I am cheating. Herbs, olives, quality olive oils, mayo, full fat sauces....this to me is the elite, the best of all worlds. We can grill, smoke meats, salt, vegetables, make breads, crackers, and comfort foods we think we have to give up, we don't! Just recreate and think outside of the box people feel we live in. Keto/HFLCis a plan for life, health and finally ridding you of the food monkey or two on your back.

Please enjoy this journey, it truly is wonderful.

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Welcome Corine!

Yes, this is a crazy unreal place. Just pictures and typing. But real people connecting.

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Hi my name is Corine.... I've been M.I.A. for a while now. I needed to come back to my SPARK FAMILY because this has been the only place I've had success ! Looking forward getting to know all you!



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VALERIE1619,
In brief what happened to me is that I took my metformin as prescribed, and never looked into side effects or other things. Indeed it didn't really matter, because I thought medication was the only way to control my blood sugar.

I should have looked deeper. Not eating carbs also does wonders.

One side effect of metformin is poor vitamin B12 absorption. Years of that can lead to poor memory, and cognitive impairment, which I have after 12 years of metformin. It doesn't seem to be reversable. I did not know that I should have taken extra vitamin B supplements to counteracte that side effect.

I just want your husband to stay healthy.

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Erin, I've had my protein levels checked because it's important for me to take care of my kidneys and their function. I don't limit my protein but don't usually eat more than about 50 grams per day.

I'm not on any anti-inflammation medication. I've had tests run and as long as I'm eating pretty clean, don't seem to have any problems (that I'm aware of). I use flax seed oil in some foods and also try to stay as organic as I can in food choices.

James; ha! I had a good laugh at your question. My husband is fully aware of the carbs he eats, and has seen the benefit of cutting them to a minimum (which for him, was about 50-60 grams per day). But he just doesn't see the value in 'depriving' himself. Believe me, we go round and round about it, and I don't cook anything with more carbs than veggies. But if I become the food police every time he has a sandwich or eats a bowl of ice cream, that's just going to frustrate me more.

Interestingly, in 2011 I committed to losing weight, and became very serious about it. He watched as each week I reported a new loss. A few months into that journey, he joined in and limited his carbs to blueberries and occasional grapefruit. He lost 45 pounds in about four months and felt great. However, he's so insulin resistant, that he still had to use basal insulin to keep his BS normal. His boluses went way, way down, of course.

I had a major surgery in 2012 to have my cervical spine rebuilt. I lost my momentum with my food plan (it's funny how quickly that can happen!). Over the past few years, I've gained back about 30 of the 60 I'd lost.

So that's why a few months ago I gave up the 'everything in moderation' mantra that I've tried to live, and am now back to what I know works for me.

This morning, I had my weekly check in with my endocrinologist's team, and was told that they were passing around my CGMS and insulin pump uploads, as examples of near-perfect control. Since I'm a gold star kinda' girl, I got a kick out of that.


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VALERIE1619,

Wow. I don't want to be nosey either but ...

Like your husband, I'm a type-2 diabetic. My metformin dose kept going up over the years to the maximum dose. Then sitagliptin got added. I was at the very maximum dose of pills and was sure that within the year my blood sugar would not be managed with only pills.

I went low carb, 20 to 40 grams a day, and no longer needed any medication, and had better blood sugar than in a decade. After 1/2 year of Low Carb, fats came back in. But it is now 4 years of no medication at all, and with semi-annual visits to my doctor and OK A1c tests.

I also infrequently test my blood sugar at home. I'm wondering if your husband has thought about changing his eating habits?

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Wow, I find this so fascinating in so many ways. I am so sorry that you have to use this methods to be healthy, but as well grateful they have a solution to help.

I am so curious they don't have you test with protein as there are many theories out there about to much protein can cause glucose spikes and insulin being affected, called GNG or gluconeogenesis. Which has been around for many years.I have questioned this for awhile now. I know many people that do very well eating larger amounts of protein and seem to never have an issue. Have you ever seen this with yourself?

I don't mean to be so nosey, but as well believe there is much to learn from you, as it seems you are on top of your health and so very aware of how your body reacts. Not saying any of us are the same, but I believe you can give us a very better understanding of glucose and insulin, reactions as well.
Are you as well on anti-inflammatory medication?

Myself I am so very reactive to so much with inflammation, but only had borderline high glucose when eating a high glycemic vegan diet. But the inflammation was intense. MS systems were at their strongest, even though it took almost a year to knock me down. At first it was almost therapeutic in nature.

Thank you so much for sharing your story and your journey here with what you are doing.
This information is so valuable to so many of us that struggle ,with even different health challenges. Much appreciated.

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Erin, I wear an insulin pump which delivers my insulin via cannula that I insert into my skin every three days. That way, I don't have to take multiple injections per day. I wear the pump 24/7 so it acts like a sort of 'drip'. That's my basal insulin which is matched to what my body needs in the absence of food.

When I eat, I need to test my blood (via finger stick) and my glucose meter relays that test result to my pump. Then, I enter the amount of carbs I'm eating (the only foods that really require an insulin bolus are carbs, so in my case, how many veggies I'm eating), and the pump does the calculation of blood sugar + carbs - insulin on board = recommended dose. So, if my blood sugar was higher than my target of 100, the pump would recommend the amount of insulin I'd need to get back into range, plus the amount needed to cover the carbs, less any prior bolus that's still floating around my body.

For all that to happen, I've had years of testing to determine several variables that are programmed into my pump. 1) my insulin to carb ratio (how many units of insulin I need for the amount of carbs I may eat; 2) my basal rates (which change several times during the day); 3) my insulin sensitivity factor (how much insulin it takes to reduce my blood sugar if I'm over target); and 4) insulin on board (how long insulin's effectiveness lasts in my body).

Prior to wearing a Continuous Glucose Monitoring System (another device I insert into my skin, but only once a week), I had to test my blood sugar between 10-15 times a day to make sure I was on target. Now, the CGMS is measuring my BS (blood sugar) every five minutes. The device attached to me uses Bluetooth technology to send the info to my iPhone.

So while it looks like I'm always texting, I'm actually checking my BS. I receive alerts on my phone if my BS is too high or too low, or if it's rapidly increasing or decreasing. I've set a window of an acceptable BS range for me, so it knows when I'm out of range.

Now that I wear it, I don't have to do as many finger sticks, although I have to calibrate the CGMS a few times a day, which does require finger sticks. Because the CGMS is mostly used for finding trends in BS, I often confirm a BS number with a finger stick before actually bolusing insulin.

My husband has type 2 diabetes (I diagnosed him when we met! I also went on to diagnose one of his four siblings), and watched how much more straightforward life is when using insulin. He quickly realized that oral medications just don't cut it for optimal control (which is what's needed to avoid potential complications), so he opted to use insulin, although he injects. Sadly, insurance doesn't often cover insulin pumps for type 2 diabetics, only type 1.

Hope that's what you were wondering!
Valerie


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Glucose is a great form of testing even if a person doesn't have diabetes. It tells so much about how we all can react.
The ketone urine strips are accurate to a point, some people stop producing the urine type of ketones after awhile. They have always worked for me though. LOL
It's the blood ketone strips you have to order on line that are costly, it is more precise and sad to say my insurance refuses to pay. Even with doctors prescription. Much like my injections when I was taking them for MS. The insurance company determined that there were other forms of treatment that was more acceptable. They were running over $1,300.00 a month. Insane. They made me so sick any how, it was a double reason to find an alternative solution that would work.

How do you test? Does this all work differently for a T1 and your other testing? I am so curious on what you do and how you determine, is it the same way and what does your doctor say about being in ketosis for weight loss and health?


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Hi and welcome!
Anyone who wants blood testing supplies shouldn't have trouble getting their doctor to prescribe them. Glucose monitors are cheap (they're counting on you obtaining the strips over and over). The strips can be about a buck a piece, so insurance coverage is very helpful.

Even if your doctor doesn't want to prescribe, Walmart sells a ReliOn meter for $9, plus $17.88 for 100 strips. I see they also sell ketone test strips (50 count) for $6.64.

I've heard other people with diabetes say they're accurate.

Here's the link, if anyone's interested:
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Welcome!
So glad to see you here with us.
Sounds like you are having a great start. Way to go!

We track our macros and share them on the specific thread, please share with us it helps a lot seeing and as well sharing them.

I suggest people start out with the pee pee stix and then transition to what they choose. There has been people I have talked to that love the Ketonix and the computer program it has as well. It gives a range and not a specific amount and people like that.

I am medically a Nutrition Ketogenic person and need to have more precision.
The cost of the Ketone strips is insane. A huge burden to start out with.

I can personally tell you, I could never trust "myself" thinking I know what ketosis is, even Jimmy Moore couldn't do it. I have been fooled many times, thinking I was out and wasn't, thinking I was better than what I was, and wasn't. I truly believe in testing, at the very least the pee pee stix.

Success is how much we invest, in work, study, tracking and as well ourselves. Not saying people can't be successful without testing, but I feel it helps us so much. Tracking and Testing are amazing tools.

My best to you on this wonderful health journey. So wonderful to see you here. Please continue to share, it not only helps you, but as well the rest of us too.






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Hi, All - I'm just getting started here, and adapting my eating to follow what I've read. I went grocery shopping over the weekend and I had to laugh at my shopping cart filled with avocados, cream, butter, cheese, and bacon. None of these items have been on my shopping list for a while.

I love the n=1 concept in the book and I'd like to track my ketones for specific evidence on how my body responds. There was a whole chapter on ketone testing and I'm not sure what direction to go.

Has anyone ordered/used the Ketonix product that analyzes breath? It's $150 online through www.ketonix.com. I've never had a glucose monitor, but with the cost of testing strips it looks like I'd spend even more testing with finger pricks. However, the book specifically describes the ideal measurements through the Precision Xtra monitor and not the Keonix breath analyzer, so I'm left feeling like I'll understand the data better from blood testing.

Let me know if I should post this question again in a different forum topic. I wasn't sure of the best place to post this question.

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Welcome Valerie.

I'm a T2 diabetic. Gosh, this sounds like Alcoholics Anonymous.


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Hi Valerie and welcome to the group.
You and I have many of the same hobbies/interests.
My hubby and I love animals too (4 dogs & 4 cats in our home and I am a clean fanatic!). We also home 2 feral cats in our shop :-)
I've been a spark member for many years also but only just returned after being introduced to the ketogenic lifestyle.
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Welcome Valerie, I must say you educate me a lot in such a brief share about yourself and as well T1. I know I will continue to enjoy you sharing and educating us all about T1.

I too am here for both health and weight loss, they seem to go hand and hand. I have MS and have found my health solution here with Keto. Keto has gifted me with no meds, and as well being in a strong remission now. As well as weight loss.

The weight loss has been a struggle over the years as my activity struggled, health declined and diet phases I would try and fail at. I do find this WOE has been a true miracle for me and my health.
Staying in a ketosis state gives me health, being adapted gives me a bit of freedom, but as well as I heal, staying on track the weight goes down.
I do a few crazy things seeing how far I can push it at times, but reel myself back in quickly, I am crazy not nuts LOL emoticon

I look forward to sharing with you and your journey here on the team!

~Erin

Edited by: ERIN1957 at: 4/4/2016 (13:18)
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Hey Valerie...I'm a T2 and do vlc as well. I read Bernsteins book and it really opened my eyes. Welcome to another California girl....I'm in Oakdale CA.

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Hi all!

I'm new to this group but not new to SP.

I have type 1 diabetes and discovered LCHF in 1999 when I read Richard K. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. I adopted his plan (30 carbs per day) and lost 38 pounds in three months. Because I have to match every carb with insulin (a fat storing hormone!), I quickly realized that absence of carbs = less insulin = less fat storage. Duh!

But marriage, family, and a belief of 'everything in moderation' over the years put the pounds back on (and they brought friends with them!). So I've struggled with my weight for longer than I care to. Lost 60 pounds using Medifast in 2012 but who wants to eat powdered/processed food all the time? I don't.

So, I'm back on track, and trying for closer to 20 grams per day now. Unlike many of you, I'll lose more slowly but that's ok. Also unlike many of you, I test my blood 8-10 times a day and also wear a Continuous Glucose Monitoring System, which measures it every five minutes.

Here's one thing I can tell those of you who haven't seen results yet: my TDD (total daily dose) of insulin when eating moderate carbs was about 40-60 units per day. WIth LCHF, it's an average of 25 per day (because I don't produce insulin like most of you, I'll always need basal, or background, insulin, which makes up about 21 units per day). These results are IMMEDIATE; the minute I remove carbs from my life, the minute my insulin needs go down.

So, even if you don't think anything's happening yet, your body is producing much less insulin to process the lower carb diet you're now eating!

A little about me: I'm a fused glass artist and instructor living in Northern California. I'd be a crazy cat lady if I weren't married to my best friend. We have two mostly grown sons, and enjoy thrift/antique store treasure hunting, gardening and home improvement projects, and spend lots of time volunteering for our Forgotten Felines rescue group.

Glad to 'meet' all of you!
Valerie


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So many new members... I am so loving it!
I hope you all will please come and share and let us know a bit about yourself and how we can all help you.


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Welcome HI2DACI.

Long term health eating. You've found it.

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Nutrition equals you, the one. Your numbers you test and try for your uniqueness... (yes James/Jimmy ; )

We seriously usually eat the same ten things, so list your favorites and it is so easy to plan, lay it all out ahead of time and adjust if need be at the end of the day. It woke me up actually measuring and seeing how much was really how much. I was very generous with what I thought was a cup or even a teaspoon. My small hand could grab a lot of greens saying in my mind that is a cup or two. Pouring creamer in a cup, I was always off and way to generous. I am at the point that I do not trust serving sizes, I weigh in grams a lot. But as well it can work great too, yesterday I compared a serving of avocado(hass) at 250+ calories, when it actually weighed out at 90 grams a lot less.
Have you ran your numbers yet?
These are a good place to start from.

www.keto-calculator.ankerl.com/

www.ruled.me/keto-calculator/

Edited by: ERIN1957 at: 3/29/2016 (10:03)
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Welcome Elaine!

Yes we are all individuals here. Each of us has a slightly different plan. My plan is to only buy/eat things that have 6% of their weight as net carbs (not counting fibre), or less. Erin, is that my N=1?

I either read labels when shopping and use my calculator, or I look up things on the nutritiondata website.

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Thanks for the warm welcome!
What is a N=1 experiment?
I believe in this WOE and just need to figure out how to make it work better for weight loss. I am going to try tracking on spark....I think it is easier than MFP.

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Just a short chime in to say hi and welcome. I have a grandson coming in July (20) also! Our first gson. We have three granddaughters and two step grandkids (older now and one has a daughter) I guess the step gkids have made me a great grandma now. LOL

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OK many arguments about thermodynamics, but it is truly about reduction. Finding what you need and how much you need, hormone issues as well. We all have set points, where we gain, maintain and lose. As well food issues like carbs, and some even proteins. Why we need to test, run an N=1 experiment and find our macros and calorie levels. We are individuals and unique. We can start at similar spots, but what works for me, may not work for another.
Just wanted to add this. : )

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You sound much like many of us. Your food sounds very much like I eat.
I hate to tell you this, but you might have to track to see if you are truly meeting macros. It took me awhile to find out where I did my best at with macros and as well calories. I do believe in Keto and the science behind it.
But I know for me I have to be deligent on weighing, measuring and tracking, planning ahead my meals. I am not at goal once I reach goal and maintain for awhile I will keep planning, keep measuring and tracking, until I prove to myself I can keep the weight off. As well I practice intermittent fasting, a great way to cut calories, which is key to weight loss. It is about thermodynamics. Keto keeps us nourished and satisfied, why we can reduce calories and lose weight. I as well am doing this for brain health, for MS.
If you aren't wanting to track perhaps you could check out Dr. Jason Fung on fasting, in my opinion the best on fasting. So, so easy to understand and thorough.
Hope some of this can help. I am sure others here may have some other suggestions too.
I find good conversation helps if not in answers, perhaps an idea that may help trigger something within yourself.

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Hi Erin, thanks for the quick response!
I have read a couple books and follow the Ketovangelist, and Ketogenic Success on facebook. I am not sure of the book titles as it was a few months ago and they are at home and I am at work right now.
I eat little processed food, my dairy is HWC, table cream, butter, HF yogurt and cheese. Not so much cheese lately. I get my fats from coconut oil, avocado and meat. Some of my meat is grass fed and some is not. I also eat eggs a lot (farm fresh from a neighbor)
Carbs are mainly from vegetables. I eat lots of cauliflower and broccoli. Some salads with high fat dressing.
I've tried tracking my food on MFP but really find it stresses me out.
I will check out the resource area of the team. I have been a spark member since 2009 and find the people here friendly and helpful.

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Welcome Elaine, emoticon
We have a pretty good team here, and are here to support and help you as much as we can. We have a lot of resources in the resource area.
Have you read any material on Keto, ketosis, ketogenic, diets? Many different forms out there, and as well links and sites. Following anyone or studied from anyone?
This will give us an idea where perhaps you are at right now.
Are you eating clean, no processed foods, especially hormone and antibiotic loaded meats or dairy?
How much dairy as well? Carbs, from what source?
Just a few questions to get us started helping you.
I wish you well, and hope we can help you!





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Hi everyone!
My name is Elaine, I'm 52, have 4 children (3 who are married) and 5 grandchildren (#6 on the way in July :)
I began following a keto lifestyle in late November after a lot of research and a girlfriend who is following it and having great results.
Christmas was slightly off and also in February when we were on holidays in Costa Rica. Other than that I have followed a 75/20/5 ratio and tried not to obsess about the numbers.
Weight loss has been VERY slow (7 lbs)....which is very frustrating. I have other positive results with treating my IBS and having less age related aches and pains.
One thing I find especially challenging is the constant hot flashes....I went through menopause at 46-47 and this is worse than I ever experienced then. When I began in November I had about a week of being very moody, and then another week or two of flu like symptoms.
I really believe in this way of eating but am finding it really challenging when I am not getting results. I keep reminding myself that my hormones are probably really messed up from my years of yo-yo dieting and it will take a long time for them to be repaired.
Sorry for the long intro but I'm looking for a group of supportive fellow "ketoers".

Elaine
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Welcome WEN!

I see you've lost 10 pounds in week one. Wow! Probably 4 to 6 of that is water loss, so really stay on the path for week two even if you only loose 2 pounds.

Even one or two pounds in a week is a big victory.

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Thanks so much Erin for this team, & for all the knowledge, support & inspiration you provide! It is much appreciated!!

Life is a gift! Tear into it!!!

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Welcome!
I too find the longer I do this the better all my issues get. I believe in the power of our brains when properly nourished.
Keto is King!
Again welcome.


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Hi all my name is Wendie & I'm so grateful to have found this style of eating. I have been searching my whole life for a way to stop bingeing & find peace with food. I have spent thousands of $ and read hundreds of articles & books. I have bought hundreds of vitamins & herbs & joined downs of programs including OA & hypnosis. I llways knew there was A physiologic component in addition to the mental obsession but I could never get to a place where I could foresee giving up the foods I was so addicted to. Just the thought of it filled me w a sense of panic. I really started to panic when I couldn't even stick to Atkins the last few attempts. I realize now I was eating way too much protein & my cravi vs were kicking in. The BPC I made helped my transition to KETO so much easier and this luxurious way of eating has me so sated that I feel like a different person. My moods are much improved my sleep is better than ever & my energy is through the roof! So grateful!!😍🎈🎉

Life is a gift! Tear into it!!!

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