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4SHEWOKUS's Photo 4SHEWOKUS Posts: 1,007
10/11/09 5:18 P

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My trainer recommended using the gentle leader with Sam. He doesn't pull when we walk but if he sees another dog or someone passes running or riding a bike he gets extremely excited. When I see another dog I usually get on my knees and hold him. So I'm going to try the gentle leader and use the word relax.

My goal is to be able to take both of them into Philadelphia so we can explore the city and I need well behaved dogs for that. I bought a book called Philadelphia for Dog Lovers.

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10/11/09 1:08 P

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After training classes, Sprocket still pulls like a freght train. I have had good results with the gentle leader with him. I also have the Illusion collar,, thats really good and walks well on it. Emma is a powerhouse and is very skittish and will bolt if she gets frightenend, happens all the time poor girl. I use the gentle leader only for her. Gives me so much more control. The down side is, people think its a muzzle, I say to heck with them. I tell DH I would kiss the guy that came up with them LOL

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10/11/09 12:47 P

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I always start out with the Gentle Leader with Bubba. He is just way to energetic....even at 9 years of age. Once I have walked him down to the park and thrown the ball awhile he calms down and we can go to just leash and collar. The gentle leader really saves on vet bills....dogs pulling causes the collar to rub their trachea which can become inflamed leading to tracheitis!

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10/9/09 1:35 P

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I have learned so much from all of you in this discussion !

I always tell my girls " It will all work out " and it usually does.
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10/9/09 1:55 A

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Dog obedience I think everyone should be required to attend at least one session (6-8 weeks of classes) to help with their dogs.

Our guys have all been doing doggy school (except Brinx) since they were puppies. Phoenix started about 6 months (he got severely car sick so we had to deal with that first) Arwen started going when she was about 13 weeks old. And Brinx started going regularly a few weeks ago.

However with that said, by the time doggy school rolled around, they all had the basics of walking on a leash, and some of the basic commands (even if it was a sit for 5 seconds).

Phoenix is now almost 5 and still goes out to dog classes. I know our case is a little different since all our guys are trained and compete in competitive obedience, which requires more training.

But if my 8 and 11 year old niece can walk Phoenix by themselves, I think that says something about obedience training but also being consistent. Phoenix is a big boy, he tops the scales at about 85lbs and is 25inches tall at his shoulder.

Around here pulling is unacceptable, and not tolerated. All our guys know walks means walking at heel position, focusing on the person who is walking them. They are not meant for forging ahead, or lagging behind, they are not meant as stop every few seconds to sniff and go potty.

It floors me that I can walk more then 1 of our big guys at a time (usually 2 or 3 of them) and have no issues; yet there is so many people in the neighborhood with small dogs that are not manageable.

You also have to find what works best for you, and if you dogs are food motivated use that to your benefit.

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10/8/09 9:44 P

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Lily has gone through 2 obedience classes--does everything perfectly but will NOT walk on a loose leash. She pulls so hard that she starts cutting her air supply off, so I put her on the gentle leader (sometimes on a similar halter--the halti) and even though she hates them, she is SO MUCH BETTER at walking like a normal GOOD dog! I think some dogs just don't "get it", no matter how much you train them. Other than the pulling, Lily is very well behaved most of the time.

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10/8/09 8:25 P

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Well...I had the same problem with my 5 month old and tried every collar and leash possible. Anything anyone would suggest. Nothing worked. I mean I just got back from the vet and at 5 months he's already 51 lbs. So I decided I needed a trainer for this one. I know about the back hurting and at times I was afraid my arm would be disattached. I found that I would walk my other dog and just play with him in the backyard because walking wasn't fun. He was pulling me hard. I am using a remote and I keep it very low. Actually so low I can handle it. That's all it takes for him. He is now heeling and sitting and placing and I haven't even needed to use the remote. It's a way to get his attention as he is a very nervous dog. Tonight at the vet's office, he didn't pull or hide and when we came out he actually went up to a very large dog waiting and licked him.

I would suggest definately getting a trainer to help you with training them and find out what method they use so you're comfortable with it. You might also want to work with one dog at a time. The way I look at it is I get an extra walk in!

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10/8/09 5:23 P

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I like the advise Kikicanadian gave, my trainer also gave me that advise for my sheltie, to keep her tied to me all the time. I need to go and get a
nylon tether, until that time I keep her on a leash and she had to go with me, wherever I go. It is a pain for me but It does show them who is the alpha
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FOXFIRE0365 Posts: 4
10/8/09 3:43 P

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Try working with each dog, individually. It shouldn't take very long to get each dog straightened out. The dog(s) should walk BY YOUR SIDE. When they pull, they're convinced they are in charge. When you work with each one, use a "choke-chain" collar that fits properly; the leash should be loose; a light snatch on the lead for correction should be all that's necessary. No, it's not cruel, nor does it last longer than a second or two. The move is just to get the dog's attention. But both dogs need to know you're the leader, and walk by your side, at whatever speed you choose.

After reading DODDSM, she's saying the same thing that I am; it really does work

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10/8/09 3:01 P

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Thanks for these postings. I have a little Pomeranian, Sugar Baby, that pulls horribly, and I've not known what to do to break him of it. All your suggestions are very helpful. I also have a 10-ish week old Lab-Boxer Mix, Maggie, and she's been on a leash she's still trying to get used to it. Not sure why it's taking her so long...lol!

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10/8/09 2:15 P

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I would have to agree with DODDSM
Training would go a long way. Try to power walk and change direction all the time at first. Keep a shorter lead on them. Tie it around your waist and keep them attached to you in the house as well, that way they learn to watch where you are going. You need to get their respect.
Pulling is just a symptom.
Let us know how it goes.

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10/8/09 1:25 P

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I would also suggest going to atleast a basic obedience class with both dogs. This way a trainer can help you correct this behaviour, and they can show you how to properly correct it.

I think pulling also has to be to some extent due to the type of collar you are using. If you use a plain buckle collar, you can't give a correction. If you use a choke collar, and it is on backwards it doesn't work properly.

I would also work on the heel (individually) with each pup in your house, if they start to pull immediately change your direction, they will start to learn fairly quickly that they need to watch your movements because they never know when you might change directions. Once you have a good heel (with no pulling) I would move to outside, especially if you have a fenced in yard.

We use with all our guys either a choke collar (for the breed ring) or have now gone to Martingale collars. These collars allow for the collar to sit properly without sliding down the neck (a properly fitted collar should sit just under the lower jaw of the dog), but also allows us to give a correction if necessary.

I think harnesses are pretty useless, and don't give any control. I have never needed to use a halti/gentle leader before, so I can't make any suggestions.


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10/8/09 1:19 P

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Yes the gentle leader is the way to go. They may not like it much but the alternative is not to walk them and really, that isn't acceptable because then they will get their energy out by tearing up your house! LOL

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10/8/09 1:06 P

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I have had great success with the Gentle Leader. They are available at PetSmart and other places. It works to keep my 125 lb shep-mal cross from pulling. A trainer can help you fit it properly to get the maximum benefit.

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10/8/09 1:03 P

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I have two very energetic and curious basset hounds, they are about 10 months old at this point and I would love to take them with me when I walk. The problem is that they pull on the leash so much my back hurts by the end.

What is the best way to stop this? They are cute but very stubborn.

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