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11/30/09 7:47 P

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One other thing about the pineapple, only give a little bit, I've got really small dogs, so a very tiny piece was all they got. You can eventually faze this out, as I've done.

Also, as someone said earlier, cleaning up after them is key. Although it's harder now when I have to take them out in the dark.
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11/30/09 2:44 P

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With the bells also, every time you take him outside, ring the bell (hopefully then he will get it in his mind ring bell = outside).

Our guys/gals all lets us know they have to go outside (in their own ways), Brinx paws at the door; Phoenix will fuss, if you don't understand he will jump on you (not ideal), and Arwen will run back and forth from where we are to the door, and whimpers.

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11/30/09 2:40 P

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Thank you so much for your reply. You have some good suggestions, especially about the pinapple. Going to get one today and try it. I will also get the frame for the pee pad and spray it. I have tried the Bitter Apple on furniture because he likes to chew on the wooden chairs. TzuMing has some bad habits that our older dog, Gizmo, never had but we love him so we will keep working with him as long as it takes
Thank you again for your help. I will let you know how it works.

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11/30/09 1:59 P

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I didn't have any success with the bell, but I know plenty of people who have, so I think it's good to a least try.

As for pee pads, I use them as well as the outside. Both my dogs (5 and 6 lbs) use the pads and outside with no problem or confusion. I have the frame for the pee pads and I spray the edges with bitter apple to prevent them from tearing them up. I trained for outside and the pee pads at the same time, even though I've read that you shouldn't train for both at the same time. I would bring a pad outside so they put the two together. In the beginning, Addie and Mia only had access to a small area in the dining room with their pee pad while we were gone since they had no access to outside during those times. I kept them close to me while at home and brought them out frequently and used a "command" when they went. They would get a treat if successful and I would say "good 'get busy'". After I came home a few times with no pee pad usage (they held it), they got the run of the house. They still use the pee pads, but do prefer to go outside and will wait until I get home to go. Couldn't use the litter, Addie would eat it.

As for eating poop, my DH read online that pineapple makes it taste gross to dogs. Ours used to eat it too, but we started giving a bit of fresh pineapple in the morning and they have stopped doing it.

Since he's going to the door to let you know, I think the bells would be your best bet. He knows where he's supposed to go, just not sure how to get your attention yet. I always say "want to go outside?" when either one gives me an indication that they have to go. They get excited and run to the door and back to me if they have to go. If they don't have to go, they give me a look like I'm crazy - lol.

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11/30/09 12:37 P

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Thank you all for the suggestions. I am going to try the bell on the door. I have tried the pads but as I said he eats them. He loves paper products and I guess the pads have some paper in them.
I really want to use the litter box when we got him because I hate to take him out when the weather is bad, but that just didn't work out. He seemed to think the litter was also something good to eat. He certainly gets enough to eat and treats.
I am thankful for all the suggestions and will use them all to see what works. Thank You All

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11/30/09 9:41 A

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We have two eight week old pups right now learning to use the box. They were introduced 2 weeks ago. We were in the motor home the week before Thanksgiving, I brought the pan with me. Every hour I placed them in the pan which I set in the bathtub. We had one accident in the middle of one night. We were out for 4 days. Not bad for pups under 7 weeks.

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11/30/09 9:31 A

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Good question on the pad: The configuration of this old farmhouse made the use of a box cumbersome. Jolie did not respond well to the litter, she likes to be clean and did not like scratching in it. The pad (we don't use newspaper, but treated pads) is upstairs, she only needs one out. She races upstairs, does her business, and then races downstairs joyfully to announce her success by coming to my husband or I and scraping her feet with great enthusiasm. It is pretty fun to watch. She does prefer to go outside in her fenced yard however, but when the wind is howling and a blizzard is brewing, it is just not safe. I misunderstood your question. Jolie has never mistaken her pad for a newspaper. I don't know if others have that problem, but we have certainly never had that happen.

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11/30/09 9:21 A

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I wouldn't live without a potty bell. If the accident is happening at the door his knows to go out just isn't getting the chance.

edit: if you are going to use a pad with such a small dog why not use second nature dog litter? Why I like it better. If you train on a pad you have to be careful to never leave a newspaper or mag the floor since it is fair game.

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11/30/09 1:54 A

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We have a Lab/Boxer mix and we're having trouble potty training her, too. She knows what to do when she goes out, but fails to get our attention to go to the door to let us know she wants out. I don't know if it's the breeds that she is that makes her harder to train to go to the door or not. Does anyone have any experience with potty training a Lab and/or a Boxer?

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11/29/09 10:53 P

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Use of pads: We have not had trouble with Jolie using pads vs outside. The part of the country we live in can have windchills down to -40. Jolie weighs 9lbs and is single coated. There are times it is simply not safe weather wise for her or for us to be out for extended periods. She prefers to go outside, but when the weather is bad, does use pads in the house. During housebreaking however, we did solely take her outside.

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11/29/09 9:26 P

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I initially had trouble potty training my boxer. I think I wasn't reading her signals or she just plain didn't know how to ask to go out. I put bells on the door and everytime we went out that door I would physically raise her nose up and ring the bell and then we would go out. It took a matter of a few days and she learned to ring the bell and never had an issue with potty training again after that. Lots of praise and treats; keep a close eye on her and never leave her alone even for a second. If you can't watch her, then crate her until you can. Don't give her any opportunity to go in the house, only outside and you should have it down in no time. Good luck!!

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11/29/09 9:15 P

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Some dogs/breeds are harder to house train. It also depends on the lines the dog comes from (some take longer to mature).

How long have you had him? What sort of work have you been doing with him? I have to say we have never really had an issue with house training.

Also what have you treated the area with (where he is going to the bathroom)? If you don't get the scent fully out of the carpet/floor then its a spot which will still entice him to come back and go to the bathroom on.

I am not a fan at all of using the potty pads, maybe because we have large dogs, but to me that's just not what I would want, because I think it would be teaching them that its okay to go to the bathroom in the house.

Does he always mess in the house, or is he able to hold it? Does he always go outside (and do his business)?

When he is outside, you need to really praise him for doing it outside (use your voice/treats) to really encourage this behavior.

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11/29/09 8:41 P

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We have never had a problem with our 10 year old Shi Tzu- Poochie. We remember as a puppy he started out doing his business behind the couch a couple of times. We took him out often like you are doing and watched for his clues. He would come and stare and if that didn't work -start to bark.
One thing we have always done is give a very small treat when he comes back in from doing anything! god luck.

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11/29/09 8:22 P

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I know she's kind of small, but putting a bell on the door knob and teaching them to ring the bell when they want to go out works pretty well. Sometimes too well. I wouldn't do the pads if you want the dog to go outside. Just keep taking your dog out every hour or half hour and eventually your dog should pick it up. Large dogs can be difficult also. My lab had accidents up until she was 9 or 10 months.

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DAISYBING Posts: 149
11/29/09 8:03 P

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Small dogs can be difficult to house train. Jolie did a bit of the poop eating when she was a pup, and what I did was just make sure that it was always cleaned up immediately so she couldn't do it. As she matured, she wasn't interested. I would call the breeder and find out what he or she meant about your dog being litter trained, maybe they used a particular system that would work for you. We use a combination of pads in the house in the winter (we live in Northern MN) for Jolie as well as outside. When she was a pup, I noticed that she would scrape her feet on the carpet when she has to go, I reinforced that, and that is her signal. I think patience, your dog maturing, and positive reinforcement is your best ally, as well as getting your dog out about every couple of hours. Good luck!

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11/29/09 7:44 P

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I had a harder time training Bacon, than I did with other dogs, but she was pretty much trained before she reached 9 months.

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I have been luckily with my last two dogs. Champ came to us at a year already poddy trained so I never had one problem with him plus we had a doggy door. My other one must of smelled the urine on the grass. Even at the pound when we checked him out two days in a row he just went naturally when we took him out. He did go pee on the floor twice, but that was it. It really sounds like you doing a lot already. But maybe having the urine smell on the grass or were ever you let him go would be a indicator for him. I have seen this in use when trying to train other dogs. We already had the smell, because of our other dog. Then when he peed I would make it a great big deal. That is what I have done in the past with my other dogs and my own children of a human kind. Give them lots and lots of praise and treats until they get it down.

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11/29/09 7:23 P

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Having quite a problem teaching Tzu Ming to let us know when he has to go. He usually leaves his surprises by the back door but unless I am in the room with him I don't know he has to go. I now am keeping him tethered to me and take him out every hour. He is 7 months old.shih tzu. I have tried puppy pads, liter box (the breeder said he was liter trained) but I don't know what she called trained. I have never had a dog that was so hard to housebreak.
Also he is still eating his own poop YUCKIE. I have tried Forbid, and something the vet gave us which made him so sick we had to take him to AMvet emergency and he had to stay overnight there, it really made he very sick,he was so pitiful,but nothing worked. He can't possibly be hungry as he eats good and gets snacks when I am working with him of obedience training. Please help.

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