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6/15/10 11:04 P

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Please remember, lean muscle burns more fat in and of itself. Tom explains this, and this is why it is important to continue to lift weights, along with the cardio. True, it is difficult to build muscle and loose fat at the same time, but there are ways it can be done. At this point though, with a 70 pound loss as a goal, you need to focus on that first. Also, personally, I wouldn't continually change my calorie intake. Two weeks really isn't enough time to figure out if what you are doing is working. Use the BFFM program, figure out what your TDEE and BMR are and then go for the 15-30% deficit. Give it a chance to work. As Tom says, it isn't necessarily as easy as cals in vs. cals out.

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6/15/10 2:05 P

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""I have played with calories every 2 weeks from 1800 to 2000 and 2400. I have not had a loss! I want to continue to lift weights but loose weight at the same time. What am I doing wrong? Any and all feedback would be appreciated."
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Tom explains that weight loss is maintenance calories minus 15% - 20%. He also explains how weight loss and sustainable muscle building is not possible at the same time since you lose weight by a calorie deficit. The thing is not to lose muscle instead of fat. It's explained very well in the book.


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6/15/10 1:56 P

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I got the book, newsletter, and joined the club months before starting the program. I didn't even read more than the first half of the first chapter until after I was ready to actually start. Then I read almost the entire book in one sitting. Talk about having to be ready to commit.
I need to loss 80lbs OF FAT for real this time and forever keep it off. So rather than listen to all the DRs who are stabbing in the dark with the latest and greatest *discovery of the week* and diet experts who only quote each other while pretending they are innovators, serious as I am, I looked to the only tried and true masters, weightlifters.
Tom is great! I absolutely love this guy. Why? Cus he tells the truth. His only promise: if you work hard, follow the program, don't lie to yourself about your efforts, you will see the results. Slow, hard won results.
I finally realized the latest *magic* is a lie and a scam. Only hard work will work. Tom explains why very thoroughly.
Having a fat person mentality, I wanted to be lied to... all I simply had to is "blank" and the pounds will magically fall off. Wrong! There is more to it. Like real portion control. Not the kind that starts out being a level cup and ends up being a rounded cup in a few weeks. Tom explains how and why it *all* counts.
IMO, this is a program you have to be ready for.


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Would you be okay with making your tracker public so we could see what you are eating?

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5/31/10 11:39 P

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Hi. I'm a newbie with a question. I am on day 71 of P90X and am extremely frustrated. I'm not losing weight. When I started I weighed 246 and have not lost a pound. I was told about this group and I'm hoping to get the help that I need. I'm to the point of not lifting weight at all and just doing cardio to kick start my weight loss, I'm know that's not right but its where I am. I do an hour of P90X and an hour of cardio daily. Before P90X, I lost 20 pounds in 3 months doing cardo but I wanted to incorporate weight training. I have played with calories every 2 weeks from 1800 to 2000 and 2400. I have not had a loss! I want to continue to lift weights but loose weight at the same time. What am I doing wrong? Any and all feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.

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4/22/10 9:37 A

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PErsonally, I felt like NROLFW was a not very challenging. I enjoy BFFM because Tom wrote it for people at all stages in this journey. Definitely, the first chapter is very important, as the goal setting sets the stage for everything else you do and the choices you make throughout the program. HE is pretty clear in his suggestions for meal plans, and gives a variety of macro ratios depending on your goals. He also gives a variety of workout options whether you are a beginner, intermediate or advanced.

Personally, I would try increasing your protein to 35 or 40% and decrease your carbs slightly (40-35%), and see if this helps break the plateau. You could also try carb tapering...if you aren't already doing this.

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4/22/10 9:29 A

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It sounds like this book is for you. I actually bought the book because I started strength training (even though I should've been all along ... bad Bill!), but have been learning a TON about diet and food choices.

It seems like your expectations are absolutely right. You're under no illusion that this is easy or that there is a silver bullet. You're just feeling around in the dark right now ... well, I think that's the perfect fit for this book. I'm not affiliated with Tom at all, so I gain nothing. Take the time to read a couple of my chapter reviews though. I go from skeptic to pretty positive on the book. There are still doubts and skepticism sprinkled throughout. I think Tom encourages that too. Just because it works for him or doesn't, really doesn't mean it's going to work/not work for you. Just UNDERSTAND what you're doing and MEASURE the results. If you're not getting the desired outcome, you have to change something. Tom provides a LOT of ideas for changing things from diet to exercise to attitude.

It just adds a lot to your tool belt.

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4/22/10 9:17 A

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I have goals to last a lifetime ! :O But my plan doesn't seem to be the direct route to the goals I want. I am starting a blog outside of spark to make sure I stay that much more accountable to my goals, but I really do think I need the 'right' plan, or at least something different with respect to nutrition, to help move things along again, but I don't want to crash diet in order to get progress. Right now all I am doing foodwise is trying to get in protein and staying in my calorie/nutrient range. I don't have any theory/approach to food, and I think that could be part of what is slowing me down. I don't think I am eating poorly, but I think improvements could be made....I just don't know enough to know where/how to make those, if that makes any sense.

Congrats on your progress! I'll definitely check out your blog. Trust me I KNOW it takes work to lose weight. I am not at all looking for a quick fix as all that will do is guarantee an uptick right back to where I started from. I've been there done that, for the past three years, really for longer than that, i haven't done any yo-yo dieting at all. I am putting in cardio and lifting 3x week, but there is absolutely a missing link, as I am not getting consisten progress. I don't expect adding BFFM to suddenly make everything melt away, but if it isn't right for what I need I'm happy to keep searching, that is what I wanted to find out before buying it. Thanks for the comments so far!

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4/22/10 8:19 A

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I lost 70 pounds. I didn't follow the BFFM plan, but I should have. I lost a lot of muscle. If I had it to do all over again, I think following some of the ideas in BFFM would've helped me. I didn't discover BFFM until recently.

I'm in the process of doing a chapter by chapter review of BFFM in my blog posts, so check 'em out if you want a lengthy, opinionated review of the book.

Also the BFFM "plan" isn't what you might traditionally think of as a plan. It isn't do A-B-C and you'll lose weight. Tom provides a lot of things that work and don't work based on his experience. Of course, bodies are different, so some things may work for you, some may not. He's really giving you the tools to tune into your body and measure results as they relate to your goals.

It takes a plan (complete with goals!), dedication and a LOT of hard work to lose weight. This book provides no magic pill or super short cuts. It's all about diet and exercise.

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4/22/10 6:39 A

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Hey,
I'm sorry that you've had so much trouble in the past! The first chapter of BFFM is the most important - goal setting. If you don't know where you want to go, you're bound to just wander aimlessly during your journey. I think that chapter in itself is worth the money. I lost 20 pounds and 8% bodyfat in 3 months on BFFM if you need a gauge.
The reason why you've lost sizes and not pounds is that you've put on muscle. Once you start eating just to lose fat and do maintenance strength training you should lose fat while maintaining your muscle.

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I started reading Oxygen a few years back, and changed my eating habits to 40c/30p/30f (eating more frequently throughout the day, eating protein) based on what i read, and I started the New rules of lifting for women at then end of last year, but I haven't made significant progress. I've been eating that way for at least 3 years, and while I lost a few dress sizes early on I haven't lost as much in the way of pounds. I found out that New Rules is better geared or intended for people closer to the end of their journey that want strength gains, so I wanted to make sure BFFM wasn't the same. I know I need to change up my nutrition again, but I just want to make sure this could help me before ponying up the cash. I've been on spark for awhile, so I honestly feel pretty good and confident in my mental game - I think that is whay I'm still fighting to find something that works! At this point, I want information that will help me get to where I need to go, but I want to make sure that info is really intended and geared to my goals. :) Thanks.

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4/21/10 10:01 P

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Hi there,
While I only came into this journey looking to lose 30 pounds, I think that BFFM would work very well for someone trying to lose more. This is a fat loss program that is similar to way that bodybuilders eat (though not as restrictive). I was able to gain muscle and burn fat on BFFM. I think it is a critical tool for your weight loss journey and especially good if you want to understand the science of weight loss. Tom goes into a lot of detail about each of the macronutrients and the place in your diet.

If, however, you have some emotional habits around eating, I would suggest The Body Fat Solution (also by Tom Venuto). This book goes more into goal setting and the reasons why we got to the weight we're at. If you need work on your mental game I would suggest this book. With BFFM you have to be completely committed and ready to go. It won't work if you have binge eating or emotional eating issues.

Good luck and let me know if you have any other questions.

Edited by: LEANVIXEN at: 4/21/2010 (22:01)
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4/21/10 8:23 P

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I'm interested in purchasing BFFM. I was curious if any of you know of results for people still early on in their weight loss journey who have a considerable amount of weight to lose. I want to lose at least 50 pounds to get into a healthy BMI range. I've only skimmed this forum, but from what I have seen on individual trackers I don't see anyone on this program looking to lose more than 30 pounds.

Is this program more of a "here's how to tweak your program at the end of the line", or would it help someone who would stay on the program a considerable amount of time? Could it help someone looking to lose at least 50 pounds, or should I keep looking? Thanks.

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