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1/22/10 10:52 A

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Didn't know that about the fat cells but makes sense.
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1/21/10 11:41 A

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1000 calories is too low and your body probably thinks it is in starvation mode. All adults need at least 1200 calories a day unless you are extremely short like say under 5 feet.

Everyone reaches a plateau eventually and the closer you get to goal the slower the scale moves.

I might add that in order to lose weight some people have to exercise every day and in older woman after menopause it's often 2 hours daily to lose. That would be me. emoticon LOL.

I calorie cycle between 1200 and 1800 a day but I am highly active as I mentioned. I keep my net carbs under 150 but am usually in the 80 to 120 area. More often below 100.

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1/21/10 11:33 A

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DON'T GIVE UP!!! I lost 6 inces and very few pounds!!!! DON'T LOOK AT THE SCALE!!! Just watch how the fit of your clothes change. I dropped two garment sizes but again, didn't see many poiunds disappearing! Hang in there. Youa re doing a good job!

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1/21/10 11:28 A

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OK--I have not lost anything since I finished induction almost a week ago--I go up 1 then down 1--basically staying the same. I am at about 25-30 net carbs/day but some days i don't hit 1000 cal(this was true for phase 1 as well)---I am wondering if my calories are the problem. I am getting in lean proteins and I am not feeling hungry.Any advice??? I am walking/running 3x/week. Where is everyone for calories and carbs/day--and still losing???

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9/17/09 9:55 A

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That article was great. I've never heard that before about the fat cells and it makes perfect sense. Guess we really shouldn't be slave to the scale!

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9/5/09 9:39 P

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Lyn I am so pleased that has helped you,and I agree Sparkspeople is the best.
Hugs, and God Bless. emoticon

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9/5/09 4:49 P

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Wow, Maureen! And Thank you for sharing that article! THAT made me feel so much better about the whole matter! Everyone else's input has been invaluable because they encouraged me NOT to obsess over the scale (and I have taken everyone's advice and drop kicked the scale)and also, to re-evaluate my habits which i have adjusted. But this article has enlightened and educated me and i appreciate it very much! Bless you and thank you, again! emoticon

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9/5/09 2:26 P

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Hello Lyn,
I can relate to what you are feeling right now,as I too seem to be at a standstill no matter what I do.but my clothes are looser and I feel better.I will add an article I was sent to explain why the scales dont move at times.I hope it will help .
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WHY THE SCALES LIE.

We ve been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can t resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can t bring yourself to toss the scale in the bin, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it s readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body s water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don t understand what s happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it s water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter:

"Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume. Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size. That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat."

This is what we have been telling folks. You lose inches but not pounds because your body plumps the fat cells. I tell them it is a complicated biochemical process that your body replaces the fat molecules with water and fluids until you exceed your bodies predetermined fluid level. Then your body will release a chemical that releases all this stored water and you get a sudden overnight loss of several pounds. Then the cycle starts over again with inches gone and the scales lag behind.

The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting. However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it s easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn t have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts. The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That s why, when it comes to eating, it s wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it s packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it s stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates. As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it s associated water. It s normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you re prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it s wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you ve had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It s the actual weight of everything you ve had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you ve finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it s not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it s likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in. Generally, it s only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it s physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you re really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale s sneakiest attribute. It doesn t just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn t necessarily mean that you ve lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you ve lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you re just sitting around. That s one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn t differentiate between the two. It can t tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat. There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn t appeal to you, don t worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don t be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride. It s a matter of mind over scale.

Have a great week.
Maureen

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Welcome to my World,we can do this journey together.

final goal at this stage to be 180 lbs
I will decide how much lower I can be without looking haggard in the face,I have happy memories of being able to dance and walk and feel good at this weight.


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9/4/09 11:27 A

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Think Morticia hit on the biggie for most folks - it is easy to stall out on cheese and nuts. Sometimes it's just the matter of making some minor tweaks. emoticon

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CD2514968 Posts: 10,890
9/4/09 9:36 A

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Cheese can be a big staller for me too.
Just wish the scale would be good!
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9/4/09 8:01 A

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I think you hit the nail on the head. While my issues are more BG related these days...I do know that for tweaking some of the foods we eat can make all the difference. It's easy to get caught up in eating the same things.
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9/3/09 10:31 P

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You are very welcome. I'm sure others will have some insights as well.

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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9/3/09 10:24 P

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OOH! I think you may have given me the insight i need. I am on the go, go, go and nuts and cheese are handy so I am eating alot of that! Maybe that is part of the problem. Hmmm. Have to work on finding some other lo carb fast foods but also try to make more time to relax.
Thanks!

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Your body is obviously changing so you may be adding muscle. Your friends are right that the scale is not always your friend and other methods for measuring progress are just as important. And many of the other methods are very positive for you. Your stress levels may keep your hormone levels up so that it's difficult to lose weight right now too. I recommend that everyone track their food even if they are on Atkins so that you know how many calories you are eating. It is possible on low carb to eat too many calories to lose weight. Some people get stalled out when they eat certain foods like a lot of cheese or nuts. I'm not sure what plan you are on. Maybe someone else can offer more suggestions. Kierae?

-American consumers have no problem with carcinogens, but they will not purchase any product, including floor wax, that has fat in it. - Dave Barry
-My doctor told me to stop having intimate dinners for four; unless there are three other people. - Orson Welles
-The food here is terrible, and the portions are too small. - Woody Allen

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Hi, Gang! Though you haven't heard much from me, I have been reading all the new posts, so I am still here. I haven't had much time to actively participate because of my jobs (director of a medical clinic and equine bodyworker)and my family dynamics... a marine home on leave who leaves to go back Saturday and the youngest fledgling just left the nest to go on an 11 month mission trip... and the second of the four kids has not been well so I am raising my 7 year old grandson.... I am under tremendous stress!
So I am trying to understand what is going on physically and if someone can explain it, I'll be very grateful. First of all, there are many positive things happening, My blood sugar is well within normal limits (thats been a long haul and I am thrilled!!!!)and I feel good. Infact, I physically feel better than good. I am losing inches on my waist and hips significantly. BUT!!! The scale is hardly moving! By now I should be down to the 150 pound mark and I am still at 157 and have been for about 3 or 4 weeks. Please tell me how this can be! The clothes are getting looser and my energy level is high (so is my stress level). Why am I not losing weight? My friends all tell me the changes are very visible so don't get hung up about the scale it will happen eventually. But none of them is tryng to lose weight. So I guess i need feedback from some "seasoned veteran". Anybody? Wisdom?
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