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lourie, i think you are being too kind to him

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He wants to know what "true supporters" think? Again, it's all about him, nothing about the Constitution, awareness or human decency.

Here's what I think as a supporter* of the Constitution: The only decent thing he ever will have done is die. The more polite version is that he is repugnant and reprehensible and that his existence is an affront to decency and good taste.

* Never mind that there are times when I'd like to be the official True Interpreter.

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LOL - he probably would hang up after my first sentence!

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He does not want to hear from you. He wants to hear from his sycophants.

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We're in San Simeon, CA - roughly halfway between San Francisco and Los Angeles, on the coast.

And we saw a commercial on TV where this spokesman said Trump wants to hear from his "true supporters." And that he wants to know what we really think.

I cannot tell you how tempting it was to call and tell him what I, a Trump hater, truly thinks of him!!!!

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Interestingly, I have somehow been placed on several conservative political lists as a possible resource for mega contributions. For the first time ever, it has given me a bird's eye view of their thinking and concern. And without a doubt from quite a few mailings that I have gotten from them already, they are really worried.

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"rabbi" - not so much. even the organization that ordained him has de frocked him -11 years ago. pence and whoever else invited him are idiotes.

the republicans have just resorted to throwing out lie after lie to win this. how the hell do they sleep at night. and how do we get enough young/non voters to vote and vote blue?

agree - i'm tired of being angry all the time. and if not angry, depressed.

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So, Pence found a rabbi he could endorse at a Pence rally, who was not apposed to his own religious beliefs. A messianic rabbinic otherwise known as a "Christian rabbi" (oxymoron, if I ever heard one):

www.nbcnews.com/politics/whit
e-house/p
ence-sets-firestorm-campaign-
praye
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And people wonder why they are so out of touch.

Off to the rally against hate. I think they need to work on the supreme ignorance part, too.



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The social changes since our childhoods has been on my mind any number of times through the decades. We were free to go out on the block to play with other kids after school. That ended long ago. I want to say more about the subject, but it's all repetition.

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All of this, of course, is true. I thought of McCarthyism just as I let the post fly.

But on a local level, we had yet to fear our neighbors, lock our doors, nor worry about our children, the way we do today. I cannot even begin to imagine what it is like for young parents sending children off to school today, wondering if the school is doing enough to ensure their child's safety.

Living out of the country for a long time, I did not understand when my friend told me she was having her young daughter fingerprinted for pre-school. I even remember joking at the time about the child's "criminal" record. I had nary a clue. And that was years ago. It has only grown worse since then.

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Keep in mind that the innocent 1950s included quotas at colleges (including not allowing more than X number of Jews into top schools like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, etc) as well as Jews changing their names in Hollywood. Restricted country clubs - no Jews allowed, no people of color.

Plus the whole McCarthy era.

I'm just so tired of being so angry all the time.

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We have dissent in the White House. The trump thing had determined that it is the news media that is responsible for fomenting hate and the killings in Pittsburgh. Kellyann Conway, however, states that TV's late-night comedians are responsible for having stirred up anti-religiosity in the nation. Genius on tap.

www.aol.com/article/news/2018/10/29/
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Oddly, somehow I have landed on several conservative email groups' lists. They seem worried.

Good!

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i think my small handful of MAGA FBFs have excluded me from seeing their posts. I hardly ever see anything.



Edited by: BOSS61 at: 10/29/2018 (15:45)
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really? if your feed, like mine, has a lot of Md, Pa, NY, DC, Va - it looks like a blue tsunami. i suspect were we to live in iowa or kentucky or alabama it would look different. OTOH i sure hope you are right!

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My FB feed (which Sherry and Phebe now see some of) remains wall-to-wall mournful outrage. Watch for that blue tsunami. It's coming.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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The notion of the innocence of the 1950's can bear some reconsideration. On the calendar, the '50s were minutes after the Holocaust was ended. Post-war Americans prospered, but I think they must have been unconscious during the process.

Switching gears, I'm now listening to Terry Gross' "Fresh Air." She pre-empted the scheduled program to air her discussion of this morning on white nationalism with Washington Post's Eli Saslow and the repeat of their earlier discussion. Also discussion with a former white nationalist who is son to avowed W.N. and former Grand Dragon, A link is unavailable just yet, but will be available via NPR or your local public radio station if it carries the program. Otherwise, navigate www.wnyc.org/shows/freshair

Today's email from The New Yorker brings two pieces:
www.newyorker.com/news/current/trump
s-
response-to-the-pittsburgh-synagogueR>-shooting-and-his-obsession-with-the
-w
ord-frankly


www.newyorker.com/news/as-told-to/sh
ar
pshooters-in-the-bedroom-swat-in-theR>-front-yard-watching-the-police-surr
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And now the latest school shooting:

www.cbsnews.com/news/butler-h
igh-schoo
l-shooting-today-2018-10-29-l
ive-s
tream-updates/


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And now it is being reported that a gunman invaded a local McDonald's with guns blazing, and a father there for a meal with his son, took him out with his own licensed pistol.

www.cbsnews.com/news/birmingh
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lds-shooting-father-shoots-an
d-kil
ls-masked-gunman-who-opened-fire-
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t-alabama-restaurant/


Is this what we are coming to?

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Welcome to SPJews, HealthyPeri. Sadly, we welcome you on one of our most difficult threads.

I, too, had similar thoughts about the innocence of the 1950s, and how so much has changed since then. Especially, since 9/11.

I do not want to see armed guards patrolling Jewish establishments, but sadly feel in these times it has become a necessary evil.

Lately, oddly, several of my email boxes have been invaded by conservative organizations. I have absolutely no idea how that has happened, but it is interesting to note that several of their missives show a real fear as to the outcome of the midterm elections. Good! Let them worry!

And, please, remember to vote. For now, it's all we have.

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Miller Football Analogies:

Pittsburgh Steelers are to Baltimore Ravens

as

Wally is to Beaver

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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In case you didn't totally get that poster. It's a play on the Pittsburgh Steelers logo

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10/29/18 12:28 P

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Guards at Shuls, guards at schools, this is so sad to me. Definitely needed but sad. The innocence of the 50’s. Who would of thought this is the world I would ever experience. Love the poster Boss posted. It was the Jewish Star with the caption, Stronger than hate!

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I'd like to see guards at Jewish schools. It's probably because of volunteer work I've done with and on behalf of people with developmental disabilities that the killing of the Rosenthal brothers at Tree of Life made me fall apart. When I learned from last night's news that both have such disabilities -- and that they are inseparable -- the only relief I'd felt about no children having been killed was crushed. I feel as though children were victims.

The New Yorker Magazine's email includes these four pieces:

www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment
/t
he-tree-of-life-shooting-and-the-retR>urn-of-anti-semitism-to-american-life


www.newyorker.com/news/current/the-p
it
tsburgh-synagogue-shooting-and-the-eR>scalating-crisis-of-hate-fuelled-vio
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This one is by Masha Gessen, who is one of the magazine's best-known contributors for her appearances in may places --

www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnist
s/
why-the-tree-of-life-shooter-was-fixR>ated-on-the-hebrew-immigrant-aid-society


www.newyorker.com/news/current/even-
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Trust me, they are aware, and have been aware for years.

In the notice we got yesterday about the upcoming rally, they added that they are in close contact with all protective authorities.

My neighborhood was targeted several years ago, where a massive bombing was planned of three of the local synagogues. With great investigative work, it was thwarted in time.

These, sadly, are the times that we live in. But having said that, I still continue with my routine, and still go to my local Y as I have it scheduled. I will not live in fear.

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I wish this didn't have to be, but if any of you have any involvement in synagogues, JCC's or other overtly religious organizations (and they don't have to be specifically Jewish), please make them aware if they are not already that Homeland Security gives annual grants to be used for increased security purposes. In NJ this is done through the NJ Homeland Security office and the applications/info usually comes out mid-spring. The application is a little involved but UJA usually has info or grant writing workshops to help and Homeland Security also has info on the application process.

My husband works for a local synagogue and they have received 3 separate security grants for different purposes including a new video/security system, increased security personnel, a security fence, bollards, blast & impact resistant windows and doors, etc.

I don't know that we are at the point that they are in European synagogues, but it sure seems like maybe the days of doors open to all are waning due to this hatred and increased violence.

Edited by: SPIEGY at: 10/29/2018 (10:03)
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our JCC in Minneapolis has had a guard at both entrances for at least a eyar now, and we have all sorts of cameras and locked doors now-- before this shooting

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I vote that every synagogue, JCC, YM/WHA, etc. have guards set up in the front of every institution, with an Uzi in their laps. That should do it.

And I never, ever, ever felt this way before. Just think "515 Park" that housed an Israeli organization some 45-plus years ago, had security tight as a drum then. I had no idea how serious the situation was then. I know better now.

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interesting. and agree. and see no way for them to stop him from coming.

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There is sanity in Pittsburgh's Jewish community:

www.aol.com/article/news/2018/10/28/
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We're not even officially "Jewish" but as Sabbath keepers one of our congregation up north was targeted during services and several were shot at nearly point blank range. So now our congregation (we have no building of our own, so we meet in the afternoon at an SDA hall - they have their services in the meeting), we lock up as soon as it's time for services. People coming in late have to call or text the deacon or other family members who might already be inside, to come let them in... So sad. The hate is ridiculous.



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yes it is super duper scary that they dont care. he probably could shoot someone in front of witnesses and get away with it. and they do NOT WANT the truth. they dont care. they dont understand. they especially cant project in to how the things he is doing hurts them. - tax cuts -so they see some in their paychecks and dont understnad thats temporary. they dont understand that making obamacare unstable will cost them either money or their access to health care or both and so forth. i will never ever understand why they dont
and we let them vote.

of course "did not vote" aabsolutely won the election 2 years ago. hope that changes next week


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He continues to be duplicitous. He says one thing for the benefit of the press and the public at large, and then totally undoes all that at his "rallies".

He does not have to tell the truth. His fawning supporters do not care. That is probably one of the scariest things of all.

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the hassidic, conservadox (no mark not ours), conservative, reform, reconstructionist rabbi's got together and there is a vigil at my shul tomorrow night. The interfaith committee is bringing people too. i wish i was in town.

and num - i'm glad (??) to see how you put that. i see many saying a rise in antisemitism. No its just not been allowed to be shown with awful events. its always been there.

and yet "reasonable" people continue to support him. i get his uneducated and i now am saying stupid base does, but educated people on both coasts - i dont get it at all.

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Here's a study cited in several publications, showing hate crime on the rise since the election:

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room
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ews/379915-fbi-hate-crimes-rose-the-R>day-after-trump-was-elected


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I just received word that there will be a "Rally Against Hate" on Tuesday, October 30th at 6 PM, at the Riverdale Monument. I am sure there willl be similar rallies throughout the country.

I heard yesterday that there is a strong corollary to the increase in hate speech that we are clearly seeing, and the number of hate crimes. (I'll look for a source.)

If Elie Wiesel were alive, he would have some choice words. As a Jew, and because he was a Jew, he felt a moral obligation to speak out wherever hatred, racial discrimination, "ethnic cleansing" raised its ugly head.

I'm with you, Mr. Wiesel. You will be sorely missed, especially this week.

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The whole world (once again) is watching.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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The 97-year old victim was also a Holocaust survivor.

Everything about the man trespassing in the WHite House is beyond vile. Everything time he spoke this weekend, it kept circling back to him. He can not bear not being the focus of the new cycle. And let's not forget that boot licking VP, who seconds everything he says.

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The list of the victims is out. They ranged in age from 54 to 97, and averaged 74 years of age. About equal numbers men and women; their last names would be familiar to us all. I'm just so horrified - and I blame Trump his nationalist rhetoric and his embrace of violence as a means to achieve a political end, utterly.

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In late August-early September, 1996, I had to show i.d. when visiting some synagogues in Vienna and Prague. One required that visitors leave a piece of i.d. at the front-door security desk and pick it up upon exiting.

However galling and disheartening the thought of needing armed security is, it is necessary.

I hadn't heard anything yet about packing shuls next week, so, thanks, Mark, for the word. I will take part. My non-Jewish friends will be alerted, too.

It's bound to come up, so I'll start. Everything about the trump creature right now is unconscionable. First he makes a statement about the need to eradicate hate. Then he suggests that the Pittsburgh killings were the fault of the shul for not having an armed guard. (I didn't hear or read his exact words for that; a public-radio news report is my source.) Let's not forget that, at the time of the riots and neo-nazi and other haters' demonstrations in Charlottesville, which included chants of "Jews will not replace us," the trump creature saw fit to state that there were good people among that group.

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a reform synagogue in Minneapolis is having something at 3 pm. There is also a vigil at a Minneapolis park at 6 pm with a Havdalah service and other prayrers

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I just saw where there is an effort being organized, to fill every synagogue to capacity next weekend. Show no fear; show solidarity, etc.

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have not been to Europe in a long time. we were in the Carribean but did not visit any shuls there. In Minneapolis there are several vigils planned through out the the twin city area. will go to at least one of them

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We had a similar experience at a Paris synagogue, which was old and historic and we wanted to see. An armed guard asked what the nature of our visit was - "je suis Jewish américain..." - We didn't have much time and that disquited us but it was supposed to be historic.

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Yes, on Shabbat as well. We went to services in Florence, I believe. And even though they knew we weren't members of the congregation, I explained that I was Jewish - that helped. Probably helped that we were women - we as a group are less likely to shoot anyone.

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Pheb was that tru on shabbos too? our doors are locked except for the beginning and end of religious school and during all services. dunno if htat will change.

sad. my friend is waiting for names to be released - that was her parents shul.

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When a friend and I wanted to visit the synagogues in Italy (Rome, and later in Florence), we had to show our passports and talk to the guards. No idea if they were armed, but the shuls definitely had locked doors opened only if the guard decided the person was acceptable.

It's just so tragic. Infuriating, and tragic.

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Sadly, once again, our people are exposed to the ravages of deranged minds, in the most innocuous of settings.

The time has come that measures must be taken to create an environment where people can attend synagogue services (churches, too, have been victims similarly) in peace, harmony, and community.

In Mexico, when the peso fell inexorably, which, of course, was the work of Jews, the community took immediate action. They redesigned the whole synagogue / day school / pool / basketball area, into a hacienda-style compound, where there was then only one gateway to allow entrance. Worked quite well.

Synagogues need to step up their own security, and make their presence known, even on Shabbat and the holidays, to function as a visible deterrent.

Otherwise, we will always be sitting ducks to these madmen.

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