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1/24/20 8:35 A

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Spiegy, it all sounds wonderful and far, far better and more interesting than the Florida thing. When did our generation become its parents and grandparents? I don't get it.

Your son is well into his official, adult life. You guided him there and, in turn, he is freeing you to flap your own wings. I'm excited for you.

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that is wonderful Spiegy!!! I have been to Israel only once. My brother in law lived in Israel right out of high school about 50 years ago , met his wife there and now live in Minneapolis. His children have dual citizenshiop

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Wonderful news, Spiegy! Don't think you are old. I had an aunt who made aliyah right after my sister's wedding, some 40 years ago. She was 75 at the time. A friend said she should have done it ten years earlier. She loved it and did well for 15 years.

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Going back to the original thread, I am following the Senate proceedings on my drive home from work. Adam Schiff said something remarkable the first night: That because of the dangerous precedence being set by the Republicans, this pattern is at risk to repeat every four (or eight) years. I had the identical thought: It will throw the country into unprecedented turmoil, and halt any forward movement on any workings of the Congress.

The nightmare is only beginning, whether Trump gets acquitted or not.

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Thanks, Phebess! The kibbutz is called Ma'ayan Zvi, it's on the top of the Carmel mountains. If you know Israel, it's right next to Zichron Yaakov, about a 10 minutes drive north up the coast from Caesarea and about 20 minutes south of Haifa. Really a beautiful area.

He can; and we plan on coming back. Ideally I would LOVE to be able to live part of the year there, and part in the U.S., but... I am not a digital nomad. Although I am actively exploring options!



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How exciting!! What kibbutz, in what part of Israel? And sometimes, a drastic change is wonderful, despite the difficulties!!

Plus your son can always visit.

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So we're not retiring, but I am making a late-age aliyah to Israel - how's that for a change? My husband (Israeli) moved to the US for me in the dark ages (pre-internet) and we have been wanting to make a change and have a little adventure before we get too old. SO - I'm in the middle of aliyah applications and my DH is heading over to Israel in 2 weeks to begin job hunting. His family is there, we have friends there, and we will be going back to his kibbutz, where we originally met and have been going back and forth to for 30 years.

It's both exciting and kind of scary. We know there will be challenges but the biggest one is that our son (soon to be 24) has no interest in living in Israel so he will be staying in the U.S. But we keep telling ourselves that since he is trying to find a job in another state/part of the U.S., he would probably be moving out sooner rather than later, anyway.
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1/20/20 6:23 A

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I turned 66 this past October. still working for my sanity. my husband wants to retire this June. I may follow him in October at 67

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1/20/20 2:42 A

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Agreed. And humbling!

Enough to teach the younger generation (which I did).

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Yup. Any time one lives to tell the tale, it's a good thing!

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I’ve had a few of those, too. Got awfully lucky.

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Yeah, I was pretty lucky with the way it turned out!

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1/19/20 7:04 P

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Reminds me of “Midnight Express.” That was one terrifying movie. And a true story.

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LOL! I will admit I kept expecting someone named Igor to be waiting for me when I was ready to leave the country, planning to take me to some gulag.

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Oh, that's it. I remember your imprisonment and escape from Moscow. In fact, one of Putin's campaign promises last time around was to continue pursuit until you're back in the hospital. He made the statement when photographed bare-chested on horseback. It is whispered that his intention was to plant the thought that he's some sort of Cossack galloping over the steppes to lead Mother Rossiya to her former glory. When he again donned a shirt, it read "MRGA." If only those photos had been published, trump would not be congratulating himself for coining "MAGA."



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Gwyn, you will love retirement! It's like summer vacation all the time!

Laurie, after my two years in Liberia with the Peace Corps, I opted for the cash in lieu of a ticket home, gathered my savings, and took the long way home. A week in Bamako, Mali - about 10 days in Moscow, where I became mildly ill, saw the hotel dr, was locked in a hospital to be quarantined, and I escaped - and then the train across Siberia, with several stops along the way. In January/February. Then Japan, Okinawa, Hong Kong, mainland China (train from Hong Kong to Beijing for a week), back to Hong Kong, and home. It was great, although on the way back from China I realized that I was sort of tired of doing all the work of planning by myself, so it was time to return.



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That's an exciting goal, Gwyn. I didn't know that you'd started to think about retiring and will watch for news about your decision when you decide for sure.

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yes anything goes. I am so envious of all the places yo have been. Perhaps when I retire (I am actually considering retiring within the next year) I will be able to travel

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The thread has evolved enough so that just about anything goes, don't you think?

I don't recall knowing that you'd been to Siberia, Phebe. Your ice cream seller reminds of settlements and villages far enough north in Northwest Territories (and, no doubt, many other places) have chambers dug into the permafrost for food preservation. At least, they did. I expect that they are still in use.

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I read the same, but since it didn't quite fit our thread I let it go.

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Uncle Google tells us that Israelis are fond of traveling to Patagonia. The world's southernmost synagogue, however, is in South Dunedin, NZ. It opened about two years ago. Until then, the southernmost was in Dunedin. Did you miss your chance when in NZ early in your retirement gallivanting?

Do you think that Chabad might set you up in Ushuaia? You can persuade visiting Israelis to stay.

Good night to you. I'm sleepy.

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When I was in Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia, there were women selling ice cream in the foyer of a department store. No freezer needed. Just a table. (It was about -70 F outside.)

So, think there's a synagogue in Ushuaia, Argentina, the southernmost city in the world? I'll visit!

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Okay, okay. If we eat it in Fairbanks, I'll go with ice cream.

The northernmost synagogue in the world is in Fairbanks, a cold place.

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Or we could just call in gelato. Or glida in Hebrew.

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R. You've seen it many times. Not that there's a reason it should have registered.

We seem to have a situation akin to that of the big endians and the little endians. I'll go on believing it should be iced cream.

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Laurie, so what IS your middle initial?

And in my mind, ice cream makes sense because the cream is actually frozen. So yes, that would be ice made from cream. That makes it different and unlike iced coffee or iced tea, both of which are not frozen but are merely made and kept cold by the addition of ice cubes to the original drink. Totally different animal, as it were.

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Phebe, you omitted what may be the original sin about "ice" -- ice cream. Alas, the manufacturers support the error. I wonder if they themselves know. In the age of pocket technology, it will always be such, given how people no longer spell out words. I'll read texts only if I know that the sender is pressed for time, hence, one-letter substitutes for "you" and "are" and the test.

There is other product labeling that merits a puzzled look. I found a can of corn in the cupboard this morning., bought long ago, given the "best by" date of Sept 2017. We all know that food packaging often bears servings suggestions (which amount to nothing). Green Giant chose to illustrate this label with corn ON THE COB. You have to love a manufacturer that has faith in its product.

P.S. William Safire, one of my loves for his "On Language" column, and I were co-authors way back. I'd sent a letter in response to a column and, a few years, received a request for permission to print it, should it make final cut, in an anthology of columns. Some time later I was in a bookstore where my eye lit on a table stacked with the book. There was my name in the index. I never really understand why my letter was chosen, unless it was a chuckle about my middle initial. It wasn't my subject, but it is the letter that was Safire's subject.

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I also don't understand the confusion about apostrophes. I personally believe it started when people were writing about the 60s or other decades - properly written it should be '60s, because the apostrophe can signify numbers or letters left out, as in contractions. But most people somehow started writing 60's, for no apparent reason other than their confusion. And then, since the 's was wrongly used for a plural in the 60's, it made some people think that all plurals (or maybe just some plurals) should have the apostrophe in there.

SO annoying.

The other one that annoys me is ice tea or ice coffee. Sorry, no. The ice is plain water, and the ice is placed in tea or coffee to chill it. That makes it iced tea or iced coffee. (Although there are occasional cafs that make their own coffee in ice cubes, and that indeed is ice coffee.)



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As for the 2020 election, sadly, it will prove to be a lost cause.

"Make America Suffer Again" for four (eight? If he has his way) more years.

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Why is this so hard? Apostrophe (single). Apostrophes (plural). Apostrophe's (possessive, singular). Apostrophes' (possessive, plural).

Possessive plural is another one people do not get. And I had a devil of a time explaining this eons ago to my Medical Assistant class.

Using a mix of numbers and plural "s" to represent "decades of" does not get an apostrophe.

William Safire would roll over in his grave.

Sadly, we were never taught correctly in junior high. And we were a "showcase" school. I often wonder, "Showcase for what, exactly?" And it bothers me still. My sister said it finally caught up to her in high school, where The Bronx High School of Science thought it important enough to teach grammar.

Since this discussion is so troublesome, I shall henceforth (one word) retire from this thread.

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according to what I just looked up, or googled, a new decade starts in 2021

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Commas get caught between my teeth, not uncommonly.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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Remember, this is the U.S. where we are mostly under educated. I don't know, however, how many who use apostrophe's for plurals weren't given lessons in school or did but didn't get them or chose to ignore them.

You're all part of my apostrophe history. I either couldn't recall or never really knew if they were in order with, say, years, such as 1950s. I used to use the apostrophe, but I trusted you all and stopped upon your information.

Do you know this one? I took creative writing for junior-year English in high school. The teacher returned a paper with only one comment: "Don't decorate with commas." All huffy, I told him that I would hence forth dispense with commas. He told me that I may, but only when I knew how to use them correctly.

As to when a decade or century ends and begins, a friend made a good point. When he speaks of the 1960s, he wants the 1960 included. It makes sense in that context, but I stand firm on others. He also told me that one of the NPR programs had a discussion on the year thing a few weeks ago.

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Do we not have larger things about which to fret? I know I do, in no particular order:

1. Cheating in baseball.
2. For whom shall I campaign in 2020? (Harder than for whom I shall not campaign).
3. My coming role as occasional devil's advocate (and cake taster) in wedding planning.

"Some day we will look back on this, and it will all seem funny" - Bruce Springsteen (The real BOSS, as opposed to me.)





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The apostrophe thing makes me totally crazzzzzyyyyyyy! When the heck did that begin???

It appears that the latest generation got locked in kindergarten and can't find their way out.

It is shocking.

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It's right up there with people putting in an apostrophe for plurals. People are just confused by something like 2000 being the end of the 1990s.

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Same principle applies when someone turns 50 and they say he begins his 50th year.

What really bothered me was when my textbooks used to say a certain disease entity occurred in the third or fourth decade of life. Because of the verbiage I wasn't sure if they meant 20s and 30s or 30s and 40s which, of course, the latter being incorrect then. Now that, used to drive me batty.

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Whether I see or hear it, someone refers to 2020 as the start of a decade, even in email from "On the Media!" On my home planet, a new decade will begin January 1, 2021, once this decade ends on December 31, 2020. We don't begin a decade's count, or a count of 10 for any purpose, at zero and end at nine.

Am I not correct? Have Earthlings come unstuck in time?

I encounter this so often that it makes me grit my teeth.



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