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My pit is absolutely wonderful around other dogs. She loves to play and run and is super high energy. As for cats she is pretty mixed. If the cat, runs, hisses, or shows any sign of fear, my dog will chase it. She's gotten her snout scratched up pretty badly because she just doesn't give up. She doesn't hurt them or bite. I think she thinks it's a game. She also does this to squirrels. At first I thought she would do this for all cats, but I figured if she could socialize with cats that would help. But I couldn't exactly go out a get a cat. Anyway, long story short, I now live with my sister and her cats. She has this one fat, lazy cat who simply ignores the dog. Guess what? My dog doesn't even bother with the cat. She can't chase things that don't run, I suppose.

Point is, it depends on the dog, the cats, and how willing you are to get the dog to adapt.

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I realize it's a bit late-but in case someone else has the same problem, my parents have had two pit bull mixes, and neither one had a problem with the cats. The only problem that ever came up was when the dogs would get loud barking and wake one of the cats up. She'd yell at them, they'd quiet down, and she would go right back to sleep.

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I am guessing your vet may have meant to say he/she thought your dog was an american bulldog since they are often mistaken as pits, but often larger.

I find it hard to believe that your dog cannot be trained and I would imagine this was due to your frustration level and not the inability of your dog. As a professional trainer, I have found pits (and any dogs from the terrier family) extremely intelligent and often a challenge for some owners since they catch on too quick.

It is not fair to expect people to want to take your dog of your hands just based on the fact that she is sweet. There are many sweet, and well trained, pits sitting in shelters waiting for forever homes. I do not want to think of the outcome of trying to find an 8+ yr old pit a home, let alone one that is not trained. Of course, I may be reading too much into your email and your dog may be well trained, just not to the level that you would like.

I would contact local pit bull rescues (ask you local shelter if they know any) or do an internet search. Of course, many being so overwhelmed by the number of pits they have, may not always take owner surrenders. I know many here in Seattle do not since they are swamped. I would be more inclined to recommend finding a pit friendly rental and signing up for a training class that uses positive training methods. Of course, this is only if you disability permits you being able to care for your dog.






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I rescued my pit from a family in Florida. I had a golden lab and I wanted him to have company. When I brought the pit home my lab fell in love with her but she let him know right away she was the boss.

I have been unable to train the pit to do much of anything. I think she is just stubborn and I don't have the patience with her, that I should have.

I have had her for 8 years and I am disabled and I am looking for another apartment. I was very lucky that I was able to rent my present apartment because my landlord just fell in love with my pit.

I might have to give my dog up and it is a very hard decision. The reason I have to move is because I am disabled and I am finding it very hard to take care of her. I tried to get someone at the vet to take her but they wouldn't. I had boarded her there for two weeks and they just raved about how sweet she was but no one wanted her.

She doesn't like to run and when I could run I didn't dare take her with me. She runs a few feet then stops dead.

If anyone knows of any good rescue people I can get in touch with I would appreciate it. I live near Philadelphia, Pa. My vet said my dog is an English Bulldog but I believe that is just another name for a pit.

Thanks and good luck with your new addition.


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hahaha COUNTRYRANDR! One of my jacks is obsessed with the other dogs' whiskers! She chews on the side of their faces. Layla just sits there with a look that says help a pit out!

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Thank you Nicole for being a rescue MOM! I have two pits and an indoor cat. In our house cats rule and dogs drool. Our cat attacks the dogs every chance she gets, mostly in play, and the dogs act as though they have been reprimanded. The cat also will decide when she wants to give them kitty kisses and you should see them, what a kick, they just sit there and let her rub all over them. When she is done the give chase to the dinning room table where she likes to hide on a chair so she can swat at them!





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Yey!!! Another bully baby saved from the mean streets!!!

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Thanks everyone!

I wanted to let you know that we decided to keep the pup. Got her to the vet, have housebroken her ALREADY. Boy, she is smart and easily trained. She's a great addition to our family! Vet estimates she is 9 mos and probably not a full pit bull (probably a bit of boxer). I am going to update my sparkpage with a pic soon.

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I've found that Layla is a great dog, minds better than my jack russel/rat terriers who are like dogs on crack (energy) and steroids (build like little horses). Layla has a bad knee in one of her hind legs, so the only time she'll snap at anyone is if you sit on that leg. She's my best friend and sleeps next to us in the bed at night. Anyhow, she gets along with other dogs, but I found a stray cat and the cat doesn't get along with ANY other animals at all! Layla and my other dogs were boarded after Hurricane Katrina (when we had to evacuate) and she did just fine. She does very well when we go to the vet. Layla's worst problem is demanding attention from people so she'll start crying when someone ignores her. I did have to crate her and one of my jack/rats when I was with my ex...sadly they got stuck in the kennels for 18 hrs one night, but it turned out fine. I had my jack russell first and then bought Layla from the HSSM (Humane Society of South Mississippi) and upon meeting Brandi (the jack/rat) she did very well, even though Brandi was a bit aggressive at first. Now, they do fine. Layla has a little trouble running with me because of her bad leg, but for the most part pit bulls are great dogs to run with. You'll learn so much owning a pit bull; it's like adopting an orphan. You become more receptive to the bad media and it keeps you striving to change the bad rap they have, because they are wonderful, beautiful, and VERY loyal creatures. I hope my babbling helped a bit!

BTW, the other responses were pretty much in line with my experiences.

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Finding a good home for ANY animal can be a challenge. Most rescue places will tell you right off, never ever put a sign up that says "Free to good home". if it's a good home, they will be willing to pay--even if it's just $50. So take that into consideration.

If you decide you need to find her a home, my recommendation would be to ask for help from a rescue society and let them know that you are willing to foster the dog until a home is found. A lot of places won't have room for a dog, but they are willing to help others look.

You'll need to qualify potential adopters--like get recommendations and do a home inspection--if you plan on finding her a home by yourself (unless you have a good friend that you know immediately would be a good fit, then obviously, that makes it easy).

Where are you located? Are you in Ohio? If so, certain parts of Ohio have lots of anti-pitbull laws. So before you make it known you have a pittie, check what the local laws are.

Let us know what you end up deciding. Good wishes!

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Thanks!

Yes, my fiance informed me right after I asked that tethering question about how it's bad. Luckily I haven't done anything stupid yet--I usually research before I act. :-)

I am still on the fence, mostly on the issue of deciding if I can provide enough quality time for the dog despite our long workdays. I will keep you all posted!

IF we end up looking for a good home for the dog that isn't ours, do any of you have experience with that? Is it hard to find a good home for a pit bull?

Have a wonderful weekend.

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I agree with every thing thatís been said. Hereís my two cents:

Iíve had two pitties. Both donít like cats, but I dog sit a pittie pup who has been raised with cats (and even does that rubbing thing that he learned from them!).

Iíll bet sheíd love to be your running buddy!

Ruby doesnít have dog aggression. Sheís very submissive and even welcomes dogs into our home where we dog sit together. I think itís an individual thing to each dogs personality. Training and socialization are important to say the least.

I crate Ruby while Iím at work, but Iím usually only gone for 9-10 hours at a time. 12 hours on rare occasions is probably ok, but not a great idea on a regular basis.

Renting with a pittie can be difficult. Boarding can be tricky, but not impossible. Iím going to HI soon and I have a friend that will be watching her while Iím gone.

Tethering is NOT a good idea. And in many places is illegal.

Sorry for the choppy style post!

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Thanks, everyone!

This has been really great feedback. My biggest concern is the hours we are not at home. Because I work full time and teach classes 3 nights a week, those are days when I am gone for about 12 hours (MAX), but taht doesn't mean we can't work with our schedules by come home in the day on those days or for my fiance to be sure to get home earlier, for example. Obviously you do have a re-arrange your schedule a bit when you get a dog anyway. This is something I am going to think about more.

We do have a very small fenced in back yard (our entire lot is 0.1 acres and our front yard is larger than our back). I am not sure if she might be able to jump the fence in two areas where it is lower though (lower gates but privacy height on the other sides). Is it bad to tether a dog in a backyard?

I have put several books from the library on hold--some for general dog training and others specific to pit bulls. Whether we keep her ourselves or not, we're taking the responsibility to make sure she finds a good, loving home.

Any additional insights would be much appreciated! Thanks again!

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Ok, I guess it's my turn to chime in.

I had a few pitbulls in my time. My DH has never had one until little Ginger came into our lives. After Ginger, he would never consider not having a pittie in the house.

I have four indoor cats. She loves them all. She was raised with them, and she knows they rule the roost. One of my cats even enjoys a good game of chase through the house with her (they take turns chasing each other up and down the hallway--it's really cute). We also recently adopted a dachshund--Ginger plays way gentler with her than she does when she's roughing it with the big dogs. She knows who can take what.

if you put the time into training, you can get her to do anything. Pitbulls by nature are high pleasers (one of the reasons why bad people are apt to use those dogs for bad things--they want to please their person even when it goes against their nature). It's all about how much time you are willing to put into it.

I, too, have concerns about her being alone for so much of the day. twelve hours is a LONG time for a dog--any dog. Is there a backyard for her to play in? Someone who can come by and take her for a walk? that would have to be considered.

My Ginger LOVES going on jogs with me. I do have to be sensitive to the heat--it gets over 100 here in the summer, and Ginger just can't be out in that kind of heat for any length of time (but then, who wants to jog in weather like that anyway?). But just like with any training, you might have to work the dog up to a certain endurance level. You are pretty fit, so my guess is that you have no problem going for miles. A puppy would not likely be able to go that long in the beginning. You'd have to put her in training like you do us!

As for boarding, I'm really picky. I know my vet's office would board her in a heartbeat, but with my cats, I need SOMEONE to come by and care for everybody. So I have a petsitting service come that I trust--and they love my dogs & cats as if they were their own. So, I know my babies are in really good hands when I'm away (they even text me or call me everyday to give me an update if I want).

Oh, and as far as not giving her back to whoever wasn't caring for her, don't think about it again. Do what's right by the dog.

I hope this feedback helps. If you decide to keep her, you are getting the most loyal companion God has to offer. Just be prepared to for lots of snuggling...



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Yes, boarding/sitting can be problematic depending on the rules/regulations of the boarding facility.

I searched for a sitter a couple of years ago and found all the boarding places (that did not look like shelters) would not accept pit bulls (most stated it was due to insurance policies).

I now have a pet sitting service (and I have become good friends with the owner) who will stay in my home with my dogs. The arrangement works well for my dogs and keeps their routine. I guess it is not cheap at $65 per day but they look after my two dogs, basically watch my home, get mail, water plants, and also take care of my ferrets.






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Hi FunnySunny

I have to chime in and say that I believe that early socialization will have a greater impact on socialability than a dog being intact. Of course, dog bite statistics show that those dogs found roaming the streets, who are not neutered have a higher tendency to act aggressively. However, is this because the owners are losers and have not done anything but kept their dogs chained inside their yards, or because they are intact. There really are not enough valid studies to show the truth. I personally have met numerous intact males/females (all breeds including pit bulls) who are intact since they are show dogs and the owners do not have any issues with aggression and the dogs are really great around other dogs.

That said, I believe that the average dog owner (who is not showing) should spay/neuter their dogs since their is no reason not to.






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Hi Nicole

Thanks for taking this little girl in. It obviously sounds like the owner was not taking care of it so I would not be inclined on returning it to the owner, but would contact a reputable pit bull rescue in your area.

In response to your questions:

1- We have 2 indoor-only cats already. I've read mixed things about pit bulls being good with cats (after proper training of course). Any experience here?

This is not about pit bulls being good or bad with cats, but about dogs being good or bad with cats depending on prior experience and level of prey drive in the given dog. Since this dog may not be exhibiting true personality based on trauma and/or settling into your home, I would not leave the dog alone with your cats. Any dog properly socialized with cats can be good with them. My own Zoe has high prey drive and I desensitized her to my ferrets. Of course, although they can crawl all over her head in their enclosure, I would NEVER leave them alone together. In the end, a dog is still an animal.

2- Our main concern about keeping this dog (or any dog at this time) is that we both work a lot, usually are away from home for 12 hours straight during the weekdays. Can pit bulls be left alone or crated that long and be OK?

Again, this is not a pit bull thing, but a dog thing. Can a dog be left alone for 12 hrs. The short answer is yes (if left in a house or room), but I believe this is too long and not fair on the dog. 12 hrs in a crate is far too long and given that you know you work long hours and this is not about to change, then I would seriously consider contacting a pit bull rescue asap. Unless, you are willing to hire a dog walker to give the dog potty breaks and a midday walk. As a dog trainer, I know dog owners who do this but they are also financially able to do so.

3- We have wanted to get a dog that could be a good running buddy for me since I often run alone, even in the dark mornings or evenings. Any experience with pit bulls as running buddies? Do they have enough endurance for that?

Pit bulls are a high energy breed so yes they make great running buddies. At 6mths old, I was jogging/walking with Zoe for 2hrs per day and she was still bouncing of the walls with energy. Each dog is different. Of course, if the dog is still young I would not do full on runs since her bones are still forming. I also took my zoe on bike rides when she was older using a K-9 cruiser (bike attachment) and we could do 7-9miles at a good pace and she was still rearing to go.

4- This dog is young and untrained. Any experience rescuing a pit bull and then training it successfully?

Rescuing and training a pit bull is no different than training any young and/or untrained dog. Any dog can be trained at any age if the owner is willing to do the training.

Although, some pit bulls may have various levels of tolerance (or lack thereof) for different dogs, this can also be true of any dog that is not properly socialized. A game bred pit bull will most likely come with a level of dog aggression that may not make a good first dog for the new dog owner, but most of them live comfortably and enjoy the company of other dogs. My pit bull loves all the dogs (but 2) that she has met in the 4yrs I have owned her, while my american bulldog mix is not interested in playing with new dogs or having encounters with rude dogs that might jump in his face or playing with a bunch of new dogs at a dog park. I have come to believe that each dog comes with breed traits AND personality traits. Some dogs, like people, do well in a new group of dogs, while others are more selective.






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Good things to keep in mind. Thanks again! I hope some others can chime in today, too. :-)



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I know of one place around here (Indianapolis) that will board pit bulls, but yes, it can be a problem. It can also be a problem if you are renting a place.

I have not had a problem with Charlie showing any aggression to any animal except dogs, especially male dogs. He was not neutered before we got him and he lived with an unneutered male rottie. I can only image there were fights between them. I think that is why I am dealing with aggression issues now. I think if he would have been neutered as a puppy and properly socialized, we would not have these issues.

On a side note, aggression can be controlled. I found a stray about 4-5 weeks ago. A neutered male dog. The first night was rough, but they got along for the three weeks that the foster dog was there. I never left them alone together, but they interacted fine after that first night.




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Thank you for the thoughtful response. :-) Yes, I had read that they tend to be aggressive toward other animals, especially dogs. Have you ever had a problem finding a place to board her or keep her while on vacation? I have heard many places won't take them or they charge more for it.

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I have my pittie for about three years. The person who was keeping him (for a friend) died suddenly and no one wanted this dog (not even the true owner). They were going to take him to the pound, so the long and short of it is, I have him now.

1- We have 2 indoor-only cats already. I've read mixed things about pit bulls being good with cats (after proper training of course). Any experience here?

I don't have any cats, but I do have a rabbit. While I would never ever ever leave any dog out with my rabbit while I wasn't there, when my pittie and the rabbit have had interactions, it has been fine. In fact, there is a picture of the two of them on my Spark page. I also have parrots. Charlie does fine with them as well.


2- Our main concern about keeping this dog (or any dog at this time) is that we both work a lot, usually are away from home for 12 hours straight during the weekdays. Can pit bulls be left alone or crated that long and be OK?

My husband and I are gone home a lot too. I have to crate Charlie because otherwise, he chews things up. While I hate to leave him that long, and wish I didn't have to, he is okay. I just make sure to give him (and the other dogs) extra lovings later in the night.

3- We have wanted to get a dog that could be a good running buddy for me since I often run alone, even in the dark mornings or evenings. Any experience with pit bulls as running buddies? Do they have enough endurance for that?

Again, I don't run. But I have taken my pittie on long walks (6 miles or so) and he does fine. I think that she would LOVE to be a running partner.

4- This dog is young and untrained. Any experience rescuing a pit bull and then training it successfully?
I got Charlie at about age 3. He had never been trained. He does fine now. Jumping on people was one of the first things that had to go. There is a dog trainer on her who has a pit bull. My mind is drawing a blank, but maybe she can give you some advice.

I am biased. I admit it. I never owned a pit bull before Charlie. Never wanted one. I didn't completely buy into their rap, but it was on the back of my mind when I started interacting with Charlie. (Before his owner died.) Charlie has single handedly (pawedly) changed many of my friends' and family's perception on pit bulls.

One thing to be aware of, if you aren't already, is a tendancy to be dog aggressive. I'm still working on that with Charlie.

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Hi everyone-
Last night my fiance brought home a stray pit bull. It was running down a residential street near our home with no collar. We brought her into the backyard and now she's in our basement. We've fed her, given her water, and taken her on a couple walks.

She seems thin and also young (I'd guess less than 1 year based on her size and energy), but not afraid of people. Very friendly and even submissive, doesn't seem to have been hit or beaten (doesn't crouch when you raise your arm), but also seems to not know any basic training commands and seems like she has never even walked on a leash.

We are thinking about keeping this dog vs. sending her to a pit bull rescue organization, but I am still weighing our options. I know that you guys are obviously pit bull lovers and might be a little biased (hehe), but I thought I'd pose some questions and concerns here since you are all probably way more experienced than I am. And just to be clear, I do NOT believe that pit bulls are inherently bad dogs. I think they do have a bad reputation and can misbehave due to poor training or training to be dangerous. OK a few questions!

1- We have 2 indoor-only cats already. I've read mixed things about pit bulls being good with cats (after proper training of course). Any experience here?

2- Our main concern about keeping this dog (or any dog at this time) is that we both work a lot, usually are away from home for 12 hours straight during the weekdays. Can pit bulls be left alone or crated that long and be OK?

3- We have wanted to get a dog that could be a good running buddy for me since I often run alone, even in the dark mornings or evenings. Any experience with pit bulls as running buddies? Do they have enough endurance for that?

4- This dog is young and untrained. Any experience rescuing a pit bull and then training it successfully?

I am not opposed to giving this dog back to its owner (if it has one), but from the looks of it, the dog was never trained or well cared for and it makes me feel very nervous about returning it to an owner who was not caring for it well. Is that unethical? I still haven't decided...

Thanks so much for any insight or tips you may have.

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