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9/12/10 6:18 P

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I know I am late to the conversation, buy my DH signed up for a marathon as a training run and parked his car at the 22 mile mark so he wouldn't be tempted to do the full. He really enjoyed using it as a training run because of it being fully supported and have other people to run with on such a long training day. Good Luck!

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9/12/10 3:50 P

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As another option is to sign up and run the 1/2 marathon and then keep running through the finish line for another 8.9 miles to complete the training run. That way you can run with your friend and you won't have to worry about talking yourself out of the last 4 miles. The only issue is to make sure you can talk yourself into going at training pace for the half marathon and to keep going after the finish. I've seen a lot of people turn around after finishing and run the 1/2 course again for training. Good luck on your first marathon!

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9/12/10 1:18 P

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Thanks. That gives me a good idea of where to start. I think I'll start with the 12:30 group. I rarely go slower than 12:00 even in the summer, and at 12:00 I feel like I can go forever. Starting with the 12:30 makes good sense.

For training I tend to pick a pace and try to hold it the entire way, but for my first time at this distance it makes better sense to start slower and speed up after 8-10 miles or so if I feel I could handle it.

-Carolyn

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9/12/10 12:52 P

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Carolyn, I averaged about a 1:10 or so slower per mile for my marathon than an average HM pace for me. That definitely felt like "racing" to me and I was really spent afterwards, so I agree with Jan - start very conservatively and you can always open things up towards the end.

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9/12/10 12:31 P

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Go with the 12:00 group see how you feel and then on the second half move up ... if you feel like it. Perhaps start out with a 12:30 group, move to 12 and then see how you feel once you are half way - you may want to stay....



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9/12/10 12:28 P

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Thanks everyone for your feedback. I think the pace group is a great idea.

When reading the responses about doing the full as a training run, I thought about whether I would get to 22 miles and then talk myself in the last 4.2 since "this is a race and I'm here and it's only 4 more miles." I'm pretty sure I can talk myself into walking those last 4, but I might have to run across the finish line. Posterity, you know.
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I have been injured or sick before 3 of the 4 half marathons I signed up for, and missed out on valuable training. One I couldn't do at all because of an injury, so I'm not looking to get hurt. Running ING as my first real marathon is kind of a big deal for me, especially since it's with fellow Sparkers.

For my last two HMs, I averaged a 10:40 pace (running between 10:00 and 11:00). Do you think that 11:30 is too aggressive for a training run, or should I drop down to the 12:00 group?

-Carolyn

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9/12/10 12:12 P

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I should probably confess and say that is my plan. The Akron Marathon is conveniently 3 weeks before the Columbus marathon (scheduled 20 mile training run), so I am planning to run Akron full and then Columbus with a 63 mile bike ride on the first weekend of October (smile). I am planning to use the pace team to 'control my speed'.

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9/12/10 12:09 P

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I like the idea of running with a bit slower pace group.

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9/12/10 11:58 A

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Carolyn - I re-read the initial post and the responses. And gave it some additional thought (to the mail I sent you directly)

There is certainly some merit to the suggestion to running the marathon (in part) as a training run, and I am not opposed to it. However, there may be some 'landmines'. - It is very tempting to run the full ... afterall it is 'only 4.2 miles'. If I was to do it that way - look at the route and see if that is possible. The problem is the danger of peaking the training before the intended event. Had the events been closer, you could probably 'get away with it', but this is too far from the real event. So, don't.

The advantage of this is - a fully supported training run. If they have pacers - run with a pacer at a slightly slower than your planned marathon.



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9/12/10 10:33 A

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I second (third) the full marathon as a training run too. I love the energy and companionship of a race (the medal too) and not having to worry about fluids on the run. Having that much time to recover is also good.
My first yr doing marathons I ran the 1st 3 2 mos. apart. It's not that bad if you don't beat yourself into the ground :-D

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9/12/10 9:44 A

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Carolyn - I think you could do either; however, I would lean towards running the full as a training run. I think it's good mental preparation. Also, I think for your first marathon, it's better to cover more long training runs to build confidence.

Last year, I raced a HM instead of running a 20 miler and I thought it was a useful part of training (and waaaaay harder than a 20 miler) but it was earlier on in the program and did require me to shorten the next two weekend runs.

I may actually run Palm Beach as a training run as well and will let you know if I do!





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9/12/10 9:07 A

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Hey girl!
I think you should run the full as a training run, that way you get the medal and it will help mentally prepare you for the big day!
Holly and I are doing pretty much the same thing in our race schedule.
Either way, I know you will do fantastic!


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9/12/10 8:51 A

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I am planning to run my first marathon on January 30. For various reasons, I am doing a 20 week plan. I also wanted to do a half marathon between now and then. The HM race I'm looking at is Dec 6.

My training plan on the day of the race has me running 22 miles for my long run, which is the longest run of the program. The plan's long runs are as follows (starting with Dec 6 to race day):
22, 10, 18, 10, 20, 12, 12, Race

If I do the half marathon, I am thinking of adjusting the long run schedule as follows:
HM, 10, 18, 10, 22, 12, 12, Race

My other option is to sign up for the marathon on Dec 6 but only run to the 22 mile mark and walk the last 4.2. I would run this as a training run, not a race.
Marathon to 22 then walk 4.2, 10, 18, 20, 12, 12, Race

I plan to adjust the other runs the week following the Dec 6 race to 2 easy runs of 5 and 6 miles on Wednesday and Friday and then resume the training schedule after that. Of course I'll take it easy if I still feel tired following the race.

My other option is to scrap the race altogether. There is also a bike tour of the marathon route that I did last year when I was injured and couldn't do the half. I would be okay doing that, but it's not the same, plus I would screwing up my scheduled long run, which I really don't want to do.

My main reason for doing the race is that I haven't done a distance race since February and I would like to get one under my belt before the marathon. This is a very easy, flat course. It's also close to home and I won't have to travel anywhere, which I can't afford to do right now. Plus I have friends doing this race and it would be fun to race with friends.

What would you suggest? Thanks for your advice and feedback.

-Carolyn

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