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5/1/12 10:39 A

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Wow. I've never heard of the McMillan Calculator, so I Googled it and found the site. I input some numbers, and I don't think I'll be able to get a very good prediction for my marathon time. According to my best 5K time, I should have been able to finish a half marathon in 2:03, yet my best half marathon time is 2:17 and change. That was depressing. emoticon

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4/27/12 11:15 P

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Yes, I should have added that I use it as a thumbnail guide - I'm terrible at "feel" so it gives me a point of departure.


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4/26/12 2:56 P

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I agree with your $.02

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4/26/12 2:52 P

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OK, I am going to go out on a limb here. I don't like McMillan. When I plug in my half marathon time, it spits back a marathon time that I don't think I'd be able to hit without quitting my job and running with a coach full time! When I plug in my full marathon time, it spits back a half marathon time that is slower than I have ever run in my life.

My $0.02 - I think that people get intimidated by the marathon distance and try to stick too closely to a plan. We are all individuals, so I think a plan is best used as a guide.

For me (and take this with a grain of salt b/c I have been running for 15 years), I prefer to run by feel. What feels like a comfortable pace? My most exhausting run ever was a 16 miler I did with a friend who is much slower than me. Staying at her pace was exhausting. Anytime you alter the way you run NATURALLY, you are going to feel off.

My advice to the original poster is to use your training to experiment with a pace that feels right for YOU, not what an online calculator says. You will learn pretty quickly if you are going out too fast, or if you are at a pace that leaves you with some juice in your legs.

Also, on the big day, stick pretty closely to the pace that felt good during training. Try your hardest not to go any faster, and 15 or so seconds per mile SLOWER is probably a good idea till the end.

Good luck and ENJOY!

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4/25/12 10:57 P

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Have a great race BUDRFLY31!

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4/25/12 8:36 A

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Thanks everyone! I decided to decide on race day. If I can find someone who will help me pace myself for a 4:15 pace, I will take that choice. If not, I will probably start with the 4:30 group and reevaluate as I go along. I have also read that there may be a 4:15 pace group with a leader being organized by a local running gear store. I am crossing my fingers!

P.S. I am running in the Key Bank Vermont City Marathon in Burlington, VT on May 27th. I live 10 mins. from the start. It was featured in this months Runners World.

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4/24/12 11:32 P

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So far I've gone for comfort in marathon distance. In a few years, I'll shoot for pace!

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4/24/12 3:22 P

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I am running my first full this summer too. Mcmillan says I should be about a 4:27, I signed up for a 5. I just want to finish un-injured.

GOOD LUCK!!!!

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4/23/12 8:38 A

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KKINNEA, that's good to hear, maybe my Marathon Mcmillan time will turn out to be accurate. I plan to have plenty of my shotblocks with me!



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4/22/12 7:26 P

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For my first marathon, I stayed around my McMillan training paces but took a nosedive at mile 17 because of some unrealized nutritional issues.

For my second marathon, I started in my pace, executed my nutrition plan and was a little faster than what I had planned.

For my current marathon, I'm training to the 4 hour McMillan paces but plan only to try to better my 4:51 time.

Every race is a mixture of variables so I agree with those that say start in a slower pace group and if you feel good late in the race, feel free to move ahead. I executed the same kind of plan this weekend for my half marathon and I shaved 2 minutes off my best PR time.

Good luck and have a great race!

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4/22/12 7:21 P

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I'm running my first full marathon June 3. According to McMillan calculator, based on my recent half marathon time, my marathon time should be 4:28 with a pace of 10:20 per mile. I signed up for the 4:40 coral, though. I run and train at 6000 feet, and my marathon is at sea level...but still, I want to be conservative. And, you don't have to stay in your pace group if you feel you can go faster.

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4/22/12 6:41 P

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If you're prone to starting too fast, I think it sounds like a pace group would be a good idea, but my vote would be to start with the slower pace group, and if at mile 20 you have tons of energy still, pull ahead then. You aren't locked into a group, so its okay if you get ahead or behind, but mentally it feels way better to pull ahead of one than to have to fall back.

Especially with this as your first full marathon, I would focus on finishing happy instead of finishing fast and just see how you do and what the end feels like. There's no shortage of marathon options, so do your first as a learning experience, and take notes on what you can work on to make the next one even better.
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4/22/12 5:43 P

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I am so confused as to what pace to run my marathon. I have gone to the McMillan running calculator sight. I imputed my best HM time. However, I think I have slowed down because of some injuries. Longer distance running is VERY challenging for me. I was a natural sprinter in High School (400m) and my 5 and 10k pr's are terrific. Anything farther than 10 miles, I drastically slow down. Anyway, this is my first marathon, so I just want to finish. So, even though the McMillan calculator calculates a 3:56 time, I thought I would stay with the 4:30 pace group. On today's 20 mile run, (in the peak of my hard training with tired hips and legs) I tried to stay at the pace that would be for a 4:30 marathon (10:18), but it was extremely hard. I felt like I was going in slow motion. I can't explain it. It just didn't feel right. I ended up with an average pace of 9:38. Now, I have not a clue. I don't want to go out too fast, but neither do I want to run the slower pace. They have a 4 hr, and a 4:30 pace group. I guess I am somewhere in between. I was hoping to go with a pace group, because I am so wired to go fast at the start and I need to hold myself back to have any chance at finishing it. Any thoughts?

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