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3/2/15 10:04 A

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I'm hoping the soda obession will fade as I consume less sweets overall. I LOVE the syrup taste of a fountain soda (I can live without canned/bottled). For me, that is the ultimate combination of experiences - sweet and carbination. I've tried sparkling fruit, sparkling water, etc. but nothing replaces a good ole' fountain soda. I don't crave them everyday since I gave them up almost three weeks ago now, but there is a lingering memory and I'm not ready to test in this area. I've committed to finishing at least 21 days of habit building before I experiment in this area. I know a habit takes longer to instill, but this will get me some good weeks under my belt before diving into a known trigger.

Honeymoon is fading slightly this week. I had to talk myself into getting up today instead of jumping into it like last week. That's okay, I knew it would come to this sometime and I have some ready thoughts and goals to combat the "I don't wannas".

Looking forward to a busy and healthy day! I blogged about the slight weight gain from this weekend. It wasn't much and it doesn't bother me.

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2/28 - S, exercise
3/01 - S
3/02 - exercise (Day 8)

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3/1/15 10:10 P

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That's how they feel! Enjoying the extras and very willing to return to a little less.

I'm so glad you had such a wonderful experience, much less driven than mine.

If you don't feel you could really enjoy a soda before, during, and after drinking it, there's no obligation to have one. Is it one of those items you just can't imagine not ever having? Only you can tell. You may not have to officially swear off them to have them drop away.



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*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
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3/1/15 9:38 P

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Buns of cinnamon sound great right now! emoticon

I'm very happy with this weekend. I had two S days, but enjoyed every minute and only tonight had a vague sense of wanting to eat an entire bag of cookies. It felt like what I expect a normal, non-food problem person would feel. A balance a foods, a dessert, a couple glasses of wine, and a few chips. I also stuck with water and no soda (I don't know that I can ever have soda again without cravings to continue). I am grateful the weekend is finished and I can get back to exercise and N days for a while to balance out this weekend. Is this what normal people do? Enjoy social events with no guilt attached? I like it!

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2/28 - S, exercise
3/01 - S

Thanks Oolala for hepling me tackle this weekend in a good frame of mind.



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2/28/15 3:50 P

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Reminds me of an episode of the old sitcom Ellen DeGeneris was in. She was working out to one of the Buns of Steel videos with a friend, I think, who was exhorting her to go hard so she could have those buns of steel, to which Ellen said, "I'd settle for buns of cinnamon right now myself."

Speaking of "toning" your buns while you sleep...

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2/28/15 3:34 P

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Thanks Oolala! I will make sure I enjoy whatever I choose!

While exercising today, heard this (not completely word for word):

"Your buns won't tone themselves in your sleep." - Chris Freytag

I got a chuckle out of that and a dose of inspiration to finish the circuit.

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Tornado, there's no real way to tell what will happen. If you're not really longing for a sweet and could imagine enjoying the buffet without dessert, it might be nice to wait for the version of delight you are already looking forward to. But it has to feel like it's not a big sacrifice. You don't want to mix up the restraint of N days with S days, if possible. But being unrestrained doesn't mean eating just because you can, unless you feel you need that safety valve.

Whatever you do, really enjoy EVERY bite!

I'm trying to follow my own advice. I know I'm overdoing it stomach-wise, but I really want the eating experience mouth-wise. Ah, me. Well, I"m getting together with other people in awhile and my mind will be diverted for several hours with stuff I WANT to do.

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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2/28/15 11:38 A

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Saturday is here! Looking forward to a rest day tomorrow.

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2/26 - NS, exercise - success - almost had seconds, but just knowing I would have to post a fail reeled me back.
2/27 - NS, exercise - success
2/28 - exercise

My first week is ending and I'm feeling appreciative, strong, and hopeful. I know this is a honeymoon, but I'm enjoying the euphoria while it lasts. I've lost 3 pounds this week by cutting out pure junk (candy, chips, sweetened drinks, desserts, and snacks) and exercising each day. I have lots of weight to lose, so I hope this rountine produces results for a few more weeks before I have to tweak.

Tonight is a couples' dinner dance with a buffet. I'm sure there will be some really delicious sweets and since it's an S day, I might have something. Then again, I can't help but wonder if that will derail me so early on. I was planning on dessert tomorrow (Sunday) since we are making bread tomorrow and I love warm bread and honey for dessert. Hmm decisions, decisions for a perfectionist and overthinker. It's so hard living in my brain sometimes.

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2/27/15 8:51 A

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Such wonderful support, thank you all for sharing! emoticon

I love writing out my thoughts because that gets them out of me and I can deal with them. It's the times when I keep them stuck inside that things go awry. I've started journaling and blogging again, so that helps.

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2/27 - exercise (let's see what today brings)
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2/27/15 7:50 A

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Thanks for sharing the mental aspect of how to get through this Oolala. And everyone else - how the difficulties make it hard to stay with any diet plan. I, like probably most of the people on this site, have tried tons of different diets. I probably have 10 different diet books on my bookcase gathering dust. And each time I read something new, I'd think "this is what will make the difference this time".

As well, to myself and anyone who I discussed dieting with, I always said "I need something I can live with for the rest of my life, something where I can have a normal life as a mother, a wife, and a person who has occasional social experiences".

Today I am on day 16. That is not the longest I've ever stuck to anything, but certainly it feels like the easiest eating plan I've ever done. And I think that that, in the long run, will keep me going.

I really appreciate that this is such an active forum and people are willing to give their good and bad experiences and challenges. Bingeing might just be a level of distinction between overeating and eating until you are sick. The same thought process, a different level. I can understand a lot of what people are talking about - buying a donut at the grocery store and eating it on the way home and throwing away the tissue so no one sees - sitting at my computer in the kitchen and putting a handful (or two) of MnMs in my pocket to eat while I check my email. Everything I've done before, it now seems like I can get beyond that, since I can have a cookie or 3 or MnMs on the weekend if I want. What a freeing way of life.

Anyway - emoticon

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2/26/15 8:41 P

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Honestly, I went through a period of time before No S in which I pretty much gave up. I was eating a half gallon of ice cream at a sitting and wondering what in heaven's name was going to stop me. But I was also thinking, well, I never get through even one day keeping my promises, so I'm going to quit expecting myself to. I'm just going to tell the truth and say I am not willing to make any effort to stop overeating. Eventually, I decided nothing was going to make it easy, and that I would likely binge for my last years on the planet . I saw that every time I had eaten less in the past, it had been during a honeymoon phase of some program that I thought was "it." When it eventually got hard, I would let it spiral back into the old habits. I finally realized that THIS was what successful maintainers were talking about when they said, "You just have to get right back on your program after a slip. You can't let it derail you for weeks or months." When I'd read that before, I somehow thought it meant that it was somehow a breeze to do it. Then, I realized, no, it's when it isn't easy that I can't give up! I used to think that if it got hard, it meant I was doing something wrong. And sometimes, that can be true, but often it just seems that habits get established in cycles. I "blew it" plenty of times, but I also started saying no when it was really hard and that made a big difference. Plus, I think the fact that I was eating plenty helped because it made it so obvious that I really didn't need the extras right that moment. I wasn't hungry or desiring food because I was eating too little. I was either legitimately hungry OR just craving the comfort and habit. Very different to me than dieting.

I actually think those periods of time when we aren't trying are somehow beneficial. They are VERY common in people's experience. It may be that we just don't understand how the whole process works because we're often looking at it only from the day we start. But that may not be seeing the whole picture.

Anyway, enough philosophy. Back to life in between meals.

Edited by: OOLALA53 at: 2/26/2015 (20:45)
Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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2/26/15 7:11 P

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I posted at the same time. emoticon

Unfortunately, I quit on myself last year. I gave up completely and was eating myself silly. Not binging all the time, but sneaking food (I'd buy candy bars when grocery shopping and eat them on the way home so nobody saw, or I'd get a milkshake and throw the cup out in the garage garbage so there was no evidence.) and eating constantly. If I wasn't stuffed after eating, then I had more until I felt full enough to sit down in a stupor. It was all emotional and reactionary to the personal stuff I had going on the past couple of years, and I was tired of feeling guilty so I ignored the guilt and ate, ate, ate.

Finally, my head cleared and I'm now taking back my reasoning and responsibility for my health. Thanks for sharing the ups and downs. It helps the perfectionist in me calm down a bit. emoticon

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Failures don't mean you're starting over. I had some times of challenge, in fact a lot of them, after three perfect months. In fact, I think my second year in, I had actually gained back enough to get close to where I had started! (I stopped using my thinking strategies to reinforce good habits, including consulting my list of reasons I wanted to learn to live sanely with food.) But I actually never thought of myself of having quit. I actually did at times consider other systems out of fear, etc. but I knew down deep that without specific health conditions, I would never be willing to live with such strictures. It's against my religion to sacrifice so much just for approval I could give myself right now!

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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2/26/15 7:00 P

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Good day today (with a slight urge at dinner, but overcame it)! Looking forward to tomorrow.

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2/26 - NS, exercise - success - almost had seconds, but just knowing I would have to post a fail reeled me back.
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I love the mental image that gives me, Oolala! emoticon

"There are plenty of obstacles in your path. Don't allow yourself to become one of them." -Ralph Marston


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2/26/15 8:25 A

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Thanks Oolala! I'm so glad your still here sharing your strengths (and weaknesses). I keep remining myself that it's better to keep starting over and over instead of giving up like I did last year.

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Welcome home! And hang in there. Let's hold hands and get everyone to the other side.

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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Hello! I haven't been here in awhile, but it's time to really give this my best effort. I'm facing weight related HBP, aching joints, and an all around shift in hormonal difficulties. I've gained in the past year and half about 40 pounds, 8 of those in just the past two months. Aging and losing muscle is really accelerating the weight gain, along with stress and overeating. My metabolism cannot compensate for my overeating like it did twenty years ago! Anyway, I'm back to the sensible No-S with exercise. I'm setting a goal to exercise and No-S this week.

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2/25 - NS, exercise - so far it's a success!
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I did pop over to the Everyday Systems forum and post a check-in post as well.

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Sounds delightful!

Eating out can be such a bargain with No S. I usually get two, and sometimes three meals, when i supplement with freggies, from restaurant meals.

I'm home slghtly sick, hoping to fend things off before they get worse. It's what's called a NWS day, one of two "permitted" per month, for special occasions or sickness. Been carbing it. I think I"m done.

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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Excellent suggestion Oolala. One of those "why didn't I think of that?" ideas.

Yesterday I had a very good day with food. I had a hearty breakfast. At work my co-worker brought me a gluten free blueberry muffin, but I tucked that away to have later. I went out for lunch and had some really lovely pad thai which came in a to go type container. That was perfect because I ate about half of it and brought the rest home for lunch today. For dinner I had a small premade shepherd's pie and the blueberry muffin. The later I might ordinarily have had on an S day, but I didn't want to save it for the weekend and have it get stale. I was content for the rest of the evening sipping on herbal tea.





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And yesterday was a great day with no slip-ups. I even tried a bagel bite that my son made for himself - I never would have had a small junk food item without abandoning the day before. This is pretty good news!!!

And if anyone has had the flat white at Starbucks - I have espresso here at home, milk and a frother. I could certainly do that here as well, so I'll keep that in mind for next time I'm hungry in between.

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You are all doing so well not to let little slips turn into major ones AND/OR self-whipping fests.

I humbly suggest if you feel hungry after going to bed to have some warm milk or even stevia-sweetened hot cocoa, unless a couple of teaspoons of sugar would be enough. Milk is the least favored beverage for between meals, but it is considered acceptable, and favored over anything chewed. It has even been shown to have the same satisfying power as solid foods.

I've recovered from the binge. I made sure to include a tablespoon of olive oil with my lunch entree and I have felt very content this afternoon.

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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Well, that makes it unanimous! I too slipped yesterday...only by eating an apple late in the afternoon. This in other days would have been a wildly successful day, but it was nevertheless a snack! Onward and upward!! :)

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I had an "oops" Monday too, but I chose to view it as a learning experience. I had my 3 meals, but they were all on the light side and I did my poor habit of multi-tasking while eating. So I went to bed a little hungry and at first I thought I would just tough it out and have a big breakfast, but I couldn't get to sleep and finally caved and got up and ate two string cheese sticks, a few pepperoni slices and an apple. ( I'm amazed that I didn't give myself an upset stomach and nightmares.) emoticon
But today is a new day and I had my hearty breakfast and I'm going forward with new resolve to pay attention today. emoticon


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I for one am personally happy to hear that you can live your life, occasionally fail, and yet STILL stay on a reasonable eating program.

I got to the gym yesterday. Made curry for my family for dinner. I don't particularly care for curry, so I made myself a salad. Of course I was hungry later on, so when my husband made a bag of popcorn I had some. Oops. Even though my dinner wasn't substantial enough, I think that qualifies for a snacking episode. But like Oolala... today is another day. Reinforcing good habits, and because I don't feel like I completely failed, but rather just tripped a little, I woke up not feeling like a failure. That is gold in my book.

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Bingeing was what brought me to No S. Five years in, I have found that I can eat sweets in moderation, but that I also overdo them against my will, so to speak, at times. I did a lot of bingeing on S days! I really felt I couldn't face just giving it up. I'll never know if there was a way to go faster, but I got tired of it and let most of it go. I guess some would say I'm not really cured, but I am satisfied for now to be in this holding pattern. Because I don't have any sign of any health conditions associated with them, I choose to keep riding this small wave- more like a swell. But I can also see the wisdom of just swearing off such foods. I don't subscribe to the helplessness model because I hear of very few people who have their cravings taken away. Most of the people in 12-step programs abstain day by day by choice and have to use their own willpower, whether they want to call it that or not, to do it. It just doesn't make sense to say they are powerless, and there is plenty of evidence from other addiction treatment models that reinforcing individual power and agency, while using compassion and kindness, is even more effective.

That being said, I had a middlin' binge today! To tell the truth, I don't feel bad about it. I don't feel it is a measure of my success or worth or anything else. It's over now. I don't anticipate any big problem tomorrow. I've had enough good days to believe that they are the default now, and I'm very sure I don't want to go back to the way I used to live.

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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Pam - I looked at the site and there is the bit about needing more meals because of a medical condition right on the main page. You just need to scroll down a bit.
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How nice that you got to see your daughter's performance. Sounds like a great weekend. You must be so proud.

What protein do I eat with sweets? I have them with a regular meal. When I'm really thinking and paying attention to what I'm doing and not having a mindless binge, I don't eat sweets alone - not even fruit. The specifics of the protein depend on too many elements to give an answer. For example - if I were having an apple for a snack I might have peanut butter with it.

Generally speaking, sweets such as cookies, don't live in my house. Between my gluten intolerance and my long term with the restrictive diet I did train myself out of eating them. When I want them I usually go out and get an individual serving of whatever. The exception is fruit. The No S diet is appealing to me because it gives the green light to desserts but restricts them to weekends.

I have BED - binge eating disorder. That's a little different than compulsive overeating or emotional eating - although I do that too. BED is about eating HUGE quantities of food all at one go and very rapidly. It's like a feeding frenzy. I eat until I feel physically sick. There is a great deal of mental anguish that goes along with this. But then I don't purge or do anything to get rid of the food. In this way BED is different from bulimia. During a binge there is absolutely no regard to any health aspect of the food or whether or not it's a sweet or a protein or whatever. I have actually binged on carrots. But usually it's the common "junk food" culprits that go down the easiest.

I also alternately starve myself and then graze. The starving thing isn't really a conscious choice - it's more about ignoring my physical needs because I'm too preoccupied with something else. There's an chemical high to doing this too. Then I graze. I don't take the time to sit down to a real meal. I just grab bits of food and eat unconsciously and continually. You can consume a large volume of food this way and not ever feel really full.

During the time when I was following the Duke diet, my BED did go into remission. Eating very low carb that way will shut off the cravings. I missed the foods I wasn't getting and eating this way made me feel abnormal in social situations and restaurants and such, but I wasn't hungry and I wasn't plagued with cravings and even though I did overeat I still lost weight. I skipped meals a LOT - almost never ate breakfast and sometimes skipped lunch too.

When I started eating carbs again is when the BED came back, and it came back with a vengeance . This is what I mean about the pendulum swinging the other way. I have tried to go back to the Duke plan but I just haven't been able to make it through more than a couple of days and it takes about 10 days for the carb craving to shut off. So I've come to the conclusion that I just can't go back there. It's too restrictive. I can't do that for the rest of my life. That's the key. Whatever diet you choose will work if you follow it correctly, but you have to do it forever.

There are two camps of opinion when it comes to compulsive eating. One is that you are biochemically addicted to specific foods and that in order to manage this you have to remove them completely from your life. You are powerless. You are defective. This is the thinking of the 12 step support groups.

The other camp is that you can learn to eat normally again. I chose to believe this is possible and that it's just a matter of rewiring your brain by teaching it normal habits. This is why the No S diet makes so much sense to me.

As for your thyroid medication. Is this a matter of needing to take it with food? There is a caveat in No S for special needs like this. You can have food with your meds and not count it as a meal. You just need to be sensible about it. You don't need to eat a LOT of food with your meds.


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Sorry, Oolala and Marti for not getting back with you sooner but I was out of state visiting my DD at college... had to bring the car to her to start doing her field experiences for music education... by the way... we got to see her playing with her band at a new church she started attending, and they featured her playing her viola for a couple of songs... it was so incredible to see her using her talents.

As for my meals, I think I will start adding more nuts or an egg at lunch to my lunch. My protein smoothie has lots of protein with ground seeds, like pumpkin seeds and protein powder, so that carries me through to lunch time. I have to take a second thyroid tablet a couple of hours after I eat lunch so I wait until 4:30 or 5:00 to either eat a snack or have an earlier dinner. I do usually try to balance my sweets with a protein, such as having dessert right after dinner or having a handful of nuts or dairy with it.

Marti, what kinds of protein do you eat with your sweets?

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Sorry, Oolala and Marti for not getting back with you sooner but I was out of state visiting my DD at college... had to bring the car to her to start doing her field experiences for music education... by the way... we got to see her playing with her band at a new church she started attending, and they featured her playing her viola for a couple of songs... it was so incredible to see her using her talents.

As for my meals, I think I will start adding more nuts or an egg at lunch to my lunch. My protein smoothie has lots of protein with ground seeds, like pumpkin seeds and protein powder, so that carries me through to lunch time. I have to take a second thyroid tablet a couple of hours after I eat lunch so I wait until 4:30 or 5:00 to either eat a snack or have an earlier dinner. I do usually try to balance my sweets with a protein, such as having dessert right after dinner or having a handful of nuts or dairy with it.

Marti, what kinds of protein do you eat with your sweets?

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No I'm not expecting to lose a pound a week - but I sort of put it out there as a possibility since that was mentioned in the book as a reasonable estimate. I just really really like not failing or being perfect - I think living in the middle will be so much less stressful.

With the less eating I'm sure I'm doing, I'll lose something. There's no doubt about that. How fast or slow is not the issue at this point. My mind is clearing and I really like that.

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Smart girl, KD! But I have to warn you. If you start thinking you should be able to lose a pound a week on No S, it can get in the way. However, if you stick to Vanilla, incorporate quality foods as they appeal, and exercise, you are going to be fitter and healthier whether you lose a pound or not. You probably will, but the habits are what make the health. And some luck.

I was itching to have a wild S days yesterday. I certianly permasnacked a lot more than usual, but it was all moderate. And I'm glad I didn't because I think I have an Oscar party to go to. Think because the hostess posted in the last couple of weeks on Facebook that she had to have foot surgery and that she would have to lay low for awhile. I didn't see anything about its being cancelled so I just wrote to her. If it's not, I"m bringing dessert!

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Wow Seacrone - that is one of the most difficult things I can think of to go through. And you and Oolala are correct - perfect physical health is not the highest goal, but good health and freedom from obsessing over food is a very good goal.

I live in San Antonio, where Gold's Gyms are having a very good promotion. $13.99 biweekly, including most all of the gyms in the city, as well as personal trainer help. I have not been exercising much lately, and know that when I put the two together (eating right and working out) amazingly enough I have better results. So I signed up - and there is one down the road from where I work, so I plan on going on my way home from work. I work 8-12, so it's a pretty convenient time.

Anyway - I did my initial assessment Friday. Boy howdy. The trainer said I could lose 36 lbs of fat. And suggested exercises and options, and directed me to a website for nutritional information. I skimmed the nutritional stuff - it's totally black and white SO depriving. If I eat that way for 18 weeks he said, I could probably lose 2 pounds a week. Then I wouldn't have to be that strict. BUT if I eat No S for 35 weeks, I'll probably lose a pound a week or so, and I will have had no stress in eating and a much better life for those 35 weeks.

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That is an incredible story, and I'm so sorry for your loss. How motivated you must have been to follow the Duke plan! Your experience supports something I've been thinking a long time, which is that the emphasis even here on Spark on health can go too far in the sense that, heresy though it may sound like, achieving perfect physical health may not be the highest goal we need to aspire to. If that were true, many humans would be missing the mark, and I just can't believe that their lives don't have profound meaning anyway.



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What was I thinking? LOL I wasn't thinking - that was the problem.

No, seriously... what happened was that I followed the Duke University No Sugar No Starch diet religiously for one year. I heard of "No S" somewhere along the line and thought this was the same thing, but it isn't. Duke's plan is essentially identical to Atkins induction, no sugar at all - no starch at all - keep under 20 grams of carb a day. You eat any source of protein you want, don't avoid fat at all. Limited full fat dairy - hard cheese - heavy cream - butter. No fruit at all except for a tomato or half an avacado. Lots of non starchy low carb veggies. Minimum of cups of green leafy veg a day, plus one cup of other low carb veg. So a VERY restrictive diet but of the "good food - evil food" variety.
Nonetheless I stuck to it religiously for a year and lost 50 pounds during that year. It was a lot of work - there was virtually no eating out - all whole foods home cooked. But I felt great after losing that weight. For the next year plus I continued to follow the diet, but was much less of a Nazi about it. I allowed myself to have some sweet potato now a then - a little rice - a little fruit. I didn't go off the deep end and start going carb crazy. I had discovered that I do have a bit of a gluten sensitivity and that helps me to avoid some of the really refined stuff too. During that year in which I loosened the reins a little I maintained my weight loss. I just couldn't lose any more weight. So apparently I found my set point, but I was still technically overweight by 25 pounds.
Then my husband died and my world fell apart and concerns about weight and diet and all of this didn't matter at all. When you are grieving people want to feed you and my friends kept bringing me food. They knew I had to eat gluten free, but there are gluten free cookies and granola and all manner of high carb things. Once I started eating those forbidden bad foods again it turned on my BED behavior and my weight started to climb an climb.
It's my belief that extreme or very restrictive diets are a recipe for disaster in that the pendulum swings the other way, so I've been looking for something that sounds sane and reasonable and No S fits.
Health concerns are an incentive but then again they aren't. My husband appeared to be in very good health. He didn't have high blood pressure, nor high cholesterol, and he was only a little overweight by the charts (not in appearance). And here I was morbidly obese, diabetic, all kinds of bad lipid numbers, high blood pressure. So of the two of us if you were to pick which one would die of a heart attack, it should have been me. It just goes to show you that you can get all kinds of obsessed about numbers and in the end you just don't know what's going to get you. You just know that something will.
So as much as I want to live out my days as healthfully as I can, I'm just not as motivated to improve the numbers as I use to be. It's not that I don't care. It's just that my perspective has changed.

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Seacrone, I'm glad to hear you feel this can work for you. I affirm that you can get your numbers to a level you feel more safe. I'm curious to know what you were thinking when you lost control of your eating. Did you feel that you were out of a danger zone and could afford more food? I've never actually had any indications of any serious health conditions even at my highest weight, so I've never had that as my incentive.

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I have full blown diabetes. I was diagnosed in 2006. I made some pretty dramatic improvements from weight loss. After I dropped 79 pounds my A1C went to a normal reading of 5.6 and remained there for a couple of years. For those who don't know the significance of that number, it essentially means "cured!". But once you've been diagnosed you have to keep guard for the rest of your life. Within the past two years I've lost control of my eating and have gained 20 pounds. My recent blood tests show I'm back up to an A1C of 6.4. That's still really good, but I dont' want to lose ground. I know that if I take that 20 off again my blood sugar will return to normal.
There really is no such thing as a "diabetes diet". I went to a diabetic nutritionist for a year to learn good eating habits. It turns out that I was eating all the right foods and a pretty healthy diet overall. My main malfunction was that I was eating too much food.
Type 2 diabetics are different in that we don't process carbs as effectively as normal people but that does not mean we can't ever have sweets or eat sugar.
Pam I agree with Oolala in that it sounds like your morning and midday meals are too light. Fruits and veggies are carbs - they are the good kind of carbs, but they are still carbs. Anything that grows out of the ground is a carb. If you only eat those lovely whole healthy carb foods for breakfast and lunch it's natural that you would be starving like a wolf at dinner. If you add some healthy fats and protein to your meals I think you'll see a big improvement. Yes - it's good to cut back on the bread because that is a refined carb, but don't try to be too virtuous by replacing the carb with unrefined carbs. Put some nut butter on that one slice of bread and the meal will give you more staying power.
I think the No S plan is the perfect way to keep diabetes management simple. You just need to make those 3 meals a little more balanced by including protein an fat. And on your S days you just need to try to not have your sweets all by themselves. If you eat them for desserts with a balanced meal you don't get the sugar spikes you will if you have them by themselves. Diabetes management is more about moderation and balance than it is about restriction or deprivation.
That's been my experience anyway.


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I'm curious what you are replacing the carbs with. Those lunches sound very light! I'm no medical professional, but in my own case, if I have also reduced refined starches, and even some unrefined ones. I, too, am likely to have only the equivalent of a slice of bread of starch at lunch or dinner. However, if I don't replace them with other relatively dense foods, such as more high quality protein and/or good fats, I get nagged by food thoughts. More salad or light veggies are good for volume at the meal, but don't satisfy me for the 5-hour gap between my meals. Even a couple of tablespoons of walnuts or 10-12 olives added to the rest of the meal make such a big difference! I will sometimes get legitimately hungry much earlier than I normally would and will wonder why. I almost always remember that I forgot to add some fat to my previous meal.

Anyway, sounds like you're figuring it out.

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I don't have to eat a diabetic diet but have been advised to reduce the carbs in my diet... I know that I have more energy when I make my own smoothie for breakfast and have either soup or salad with veggies and fruit while at work... I tend to come home and eat more carbs than I should when I get home from work since I am so hungry from not eating bread or crackers. I believe I do better when I eat an open-faced sandwich as opposed to a whole sandwich... probably because my body doesn't handle too much bread very well.

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Pam, if you have a health condition, founder Reinhard would be the first to tell you that you should follow whatever recommendations you get from medical professionals. Diabetes certainly trumps No S! If you need to be even more cautious than No S allows for, please do. There is no obligation to have sweets at any time! Since No S lets you choose whatever you want or need at your meals, it can support specialized programs. That is between you and your doctor. I know on the original site, I've read of several members who used the 3-meal structure with good success to control diabetes.

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KDGIRL, That is so good to hear since I am focused on food most of the day!

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I totally agree - and so far, it's done exactly that!! Plus, to me, the biggest advantage is not being focused on food all day long. What a relief!


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I am on the borderline of having prediabetes, so I feel that this team will be a big support with helping me stay away from the sweets.

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And my favorite feeling is waking up in the morning not having blown it the day before. My scale is not moving much, but I might steer towards weighing once a week or twice a week instead of every day. Maybe Wednesday and Saturday.

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Oolala - I so agree! It seems there are challenges to almost everyday, including travel, special occasions, etc. In the past, every time I would bump up against something that included food I didn't know how to 'count', I would just give up and it would start a downward spiral into overeating and then the resulting guilt and frustration. Now, I feel I can deal with those challenges, as many of them fall on weekends, anyway, and even on weekdays, I can just have a my normal meals and be happy.

For example - this week there was a special dinner at my church on Tuesday night. I had no idea what would be served, and could never have counted the calories, thus, I would have felt I was 'blowing it' normally. However, this time, I went with complete confidence, knowing I only had to follow two rules - no seconds, and no sweets. I enjoyed ONE plate, and said no thank you to the banana pudding and got through the evening feeling great! The next morning, the scale was even down a little more!

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Love your S's! Mind if I share them on the original site?

Hope you feel the freedom is worth the trade offs. I sure do. I used to live overseas and could never see myself trying to count calories or keep track when I travel, or to depend on knowing calories to try to eat reasonably. I can take this anywhere- and have. The great thing, the world over, either tea or coffee is available between meals. It's very civil!

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I totally agree CruisePuppy!!! When I am ready to eat breakfast and lunch, I just think about what I would like to eat. And then eat it. When I am ready to prepare dinner, I don't worry about fixing two different things so I can "stay" on my diet. And I am thrilled to have an occasional glass of wine or latte.

The proof will be in the adherence to it after my husband comes back on Saturday. When he is gone, everything food related is easier. I think this can be something easy enough to do when we are together, as we are 98% of the time, so that should be workable in my day to day life.

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Hi - I'm new here, and new to the No S 'diet' - which I prefer to call the S Plan! I say that, because I've added a few other 'positive' S's to the list that I hung on my fridge:

SAVOR 3 full-plates a day
Be SELECTIVE - Make SMART, SENSIBLE choices
SKIP the SUBSTANDARD
STOP when you are SATISIFIED (not STUFFED)
STEP it up (get moving)!
STICK with it!

So, to me, it's not only about what I can't do - but also some things I CAN do!

I just finished my first week and found it SO freeing. I lost .7 of a pound, and it was the most relaxed and happy I've ever been with a new 'diet' plan. I enjoyed the week and even got through Valentine's weekend with a loss - and that included sharing a Valentine dinner and dessert with my hubby! The greatest freedom to me is not having to record anything or count calories. This immediately eliminates the frustration of feeling like I'm either ON or OFF it - I can do it anywhere and anytime!

I initially decided to give this a 3 week trial run to see if it worked, if I liked it and if I thought I could continue it. So, on to week two - but I think I'm already SOLD!

I'm looking forward to working with everyone here and watching the progress we make together!

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Yes, KD, you're getting the beauty of it! It will eventually balance out. And I love that you are aware of the honeymoon phase. I see SO many people who have a few good days and think, oh, well, I'm changed, this is easy, thank goodness it's over. They don't say that out loud, but I can feel it. Change can happen quickly, but it's not typical for moderation to be the true default for quite awhile. The body, including the brain, will put up fights along the way, but consistency will bring about a trend downward. Though I will admit I had a surge upward near the end of the first or second year, can't remember which now. It was over romantic issues. I recovered and now bounce along a baseline that is satisfactory for me.

I like to think that if policy makers got smarter, they could get around the drive for profit. Money might not decrease it would just be distributed differently. But it does look like a big problem. I can't solve it today! Maybe next week. emoticon



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@Seacrone - you have already lost 70 pounds!!! That proves you're not powerless.

I'm excited about this journey, but mindful that I'm in the "honeymoon" phase of this way of eating. I'm pretty deliberately not calling it a "diet" because I don't want it to be something I go on and off of.

I also agree it helps with appreciation and mindfulness, but sometimes it's great to just eat a bit of something I like rather than decide whether or not I have had all my categories yet that day, knowing I have another meal coming up shortly to balance out my day.

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Oolala - I left OA for similar reasons. I just can't buy into the "I'm powerless" thing. Yes, I need help and support, but I'm not powerless. I've gone from one extreme food plan to another, and then to a "non-diet" in between. Too much restriction and rigidity brings on a rebound for me and triggers bingeing. Intuitive eating doesn't seem to work for me because my ability to sense the right level of "full" is broken and needs to be retrained.

I believe that moderation can happen and I think this No S is a clear road map of how to get there and retrain my brain out of really bad habits.

I'm not expecting any quick results. It's about training the brain and the body will follow. I'm already noticing that this enhances mindfulness and new appreciation for food.


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