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8/18/12 5:48 P

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I was a skim milk drinker for years, but recently made the switch to whole organic milk and it's definately better! I only really have it in my morning coffee, and from what I hear, it's better for you anyway..

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7/28/12 8:16 P

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But doesn't that mean that they have to take "whole milk" apart, too, and put it back together so it's 3.25% fat? I think this is just one more reason to buy your milk direct from a farmer you know...

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7/27/12 5:33 P

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Thank you for explaining skim milk. I never knew they put dry milk and other substances in skim milk.

I buy my milk locally but I guess I should stick with whole milk.

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7/16/12 6:03 P

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Nonfat milk is naturally a pale, thin blue color but nonfat milk isn't blue. That’s because companies are putting in various additives that they actually don’t always have to include them on the label. The first additive you can find in nonfat milk is dry milk. Sometimes it will be labeled as “protein-fortified.” Some manufacturer’s do include it on the label, but some don’t. Dried milk is far from benign though. The process used to dry it creates oxidized cholesterol, which accelerates plaque build up in arteries. Animal studies have found that even a small increase in oxidized cholesterol over 12 weeks doubled the plaque buildup compared to the control group. If your trying to eat heart-healthy, nonfat milk might be counter productive. Also, dry milk contains orotic acid which may have damaging effects to the liver.

Another additive sometimes used to make the blue liquid white is titanium oxide, a common ingredient in paint and sunscreens. It’s sometimes added to nonfat fluid milk but mostly used in other dairy products such as sour cream and cottage cheese.

The qualities of straight-from-the-cow/goat/sheep-milk are never static. The amount of protein, carbohydrates and fat vary between breeds and even individual animals. It also varies depending on where in the lactation cycle a specific animal is at. So to standardize milk, manufacturers separate everything and then put it all back together at specific ratios. And then it’s homogenized which changes the structure of the milk and oxidizes fats. What used to be a healthful drink has now become another overly-processed food that no longer resembles the natural product.

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7/16/12 5:45 P

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Really? What happens to milk when it's skimmed at a commercial dairy? I really have no idea - I just assumed they kinda centrifuged the cream off the top.

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7/15/12 3:32 P

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Skimming your own milk is completely different from what "skim milk" is for industrial milk. I wouldn't consider skimming your own milk processed either. :)

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7/15/12 3:15 P

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I drink nonfat milk for the calcium without so many calories - the difference between 90 calories and 150 calories per cup is real for me. I also happily eat butter, cream, and full fat cheeses when that's what I'm hungry for - gotta get some fat calories, and I love those flavors. I don't worry much about the additional processing to skim my milk - I've skimmed milk myself before and it doesn't feel any more processed than cutting the seeds out of an apple, to me. But that's me.
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He drew a circle that shut me out--
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
But Love and I had the wit to win:
We drew a circle that took him in!
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7/15/12 12:22 A

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I only buy unhomogenized organic whole milk. My son and I are low dairy vegetarians, and soy milk consumers, but I do prefer whole milk in a cuppa. Mostly I buy it for visitors and the cat - who won't drink any other sort!

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7/12/12 8:44 A

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I'm trying to switch to skim. S'ok, but I dont always remember to buy it. DH and child are 1%ers. All our milk is from a large but instate dairy operation (Stewarts).

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7/6/12 10:33 A

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Milking is a commitment I have yet to make but I would definitely look into either the purchase of a doe or a cow. If I acquire more land and get a real building with water I would consider milking.


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RBRINK21's Photo RBRINK21 Posts: 2,475
7/6/12 10:15 A

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I'm a raw milk person as well but I drink only raw goat milk since I have my own goats. I'm a little weirded out by raw cow milk because of their poop, esp. if someone else is doing all the handling of it. Goat's are so much cleaner. :)

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7/6/12 10:03 A

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Thanks for the question and the blog! I've been a raw milk devotee in the past. The farmer where I bought my milk had some handling issues that landed several people in the hospital including myself, with a nasty little bug called campholebacter. (sorry for the misspelling)

The health department never found the bacteria in the milk but the delivery system had problems where the bacteria was found on the surface of the bottle. It became a political nightmare and basically I still believe raw milk is best but having an uber clean facility with constant attention is probably required. Now I either buy Organic Valley, which by the way my milk farmer used to sell to or I just drink almond milk or soy milk.

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7/6/12 9:37 A

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Honestly, calorie-wise there isn't a real big difference between low-fat and whole dairy. It's not like you're drinking cream. :) I would stick with whole dairy for a variety of reasons including it's less processed (it's still a highly processed food regardless unless you can find non-homogenized milk), it has more of the natural vitamins and minerals, including the fat soluble ones like Vitamins A & D, and it will keep you satiated longer. I have a blog post about the differences of whole vs. nonfat milk products here: www.dogislandfarm.com/2012/02/some-t
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7/6/12 9:31 A

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I've been trying to change my diet to only whole foods - as little processed as possible - for a few months now and I do okay with it. I'm still battling my food addiction demons but I've come such a long long way.

What's challenging for me now is that most of the resources I find on the internet about this lifestyle aren't really from people who are trying to lose weight. And they all advocate whole-fat dairy products. I already try to limit dairy obviously but for purposes of weight loss do you think it's better to do reduced-fat until I get to my goal weight? Or just stick with whole- fat but severely limit it? I know there are other options, which I do use like almond milk and coconut milk but sometimes I want some cheese! you know?

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