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10/25/12 4:44 P

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Anything that is not meat sets me off on a binge though. I cannot have a bite of anything. So, I am only lucky in the fact that I found a program that works for my body.
But, I have also had to accept that I will never have pizza or onion rings again.

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BudgetMaw. I think what Birgit is saying is that making it with Xylitol helps ice cream to be a treat you can enjoy, instead of one you stop when the box is empty.

I can't stop eating low carb ice cream from the store, and not really a big ice cream fan, but making it yourself, might be a way to enjoy it once a week, without binging on it. Might be something to think about the next time you have to have ice cream.

I can't seem to eat anything low carb, as far as products they sell. Even diet pop, or sugar free jell-o stall me out. Not sure if Xylitol would be any different, but it is very interesting. Plus, by making it yourself, you can control how much you put in.

I think that it would depend on how sensitive you are. Might not be okay for me or you Budget. I have to stay below 40 carbs to lose, so not going to use any on ice cream, but people eating a more moderate version, could probably enjoy it, and not have it cause a binge like regular low carb ice cream bars.

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That makes sense. For me the binge foods took many years to get over, in the case of chocolate it took about 20 years until I could have just one piece and even that would not have happened until low-carb.
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The problem I have with low carb ice cream, Brigit, is that it is a binge food for me. It seems that if something was a binge food in it's high carb state (ice cream, cookies, bread, whatever), it's a binge food in it's low carb state, too. I have gotten low carb ice cream bars, figuring that they were portion controlled. They are, but not when you eat the whole box at one go! I have made my own home-made ice cream. Same thing. I start by just making a little bit at a time, but then end up making - and eating - a quart of whipping cream's worth. I seem to one of those people for whom a binge food is a binge food is a binge food - regardless of how it's made.

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I'm really excited about what's going on in this thread and want to thank everyone for sharing. It really helps everyone to put some more pieces of the puzzle together. emoticon emoticon
I have not been able to find commercial low-carb ice cream without Splenda or aspartame in it so far, so bought an ice cream maker to make my own with just raw milk/cream and some Xylitol which is not carb-free but very low carb. The reason I think it works better for me is that I can make the ice cream much higher fat by using mostly heavy cream and I can make it much less sweet (currently use only about 1 1/2 tbsp. of Xylitol per quart and going down). If you don't want to buy an ice cream maker try making low-carb popsicles with canned coconut milk and only tiny amounts of a sweetener. I now like them without any.

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10/25/12 8:20 A

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I guess you have to define "cheat", Suzanne. I have been eating low carb for 8+ years and have lost 125 pounds, but starting from 324 that still left me above 200. (Until today! I finally broke through 200 this morning! But that's another post.) I have bounced around mostly between 220 and 270 for several years. I haven't "cheated" - I haven't eaten high carb food except for a single bite of something special (like my brother's homemade ice cream) maybe 5 times. Probably less. What I have done is eaten too much low carb food. Sometimes it has been too much low carb ice cream. Most of the time I can't point to anything in particular, but the pounds get packed back on anyway. Usually it's eating too much fat and protein.

Bottom line, Suzanne, is that you are one extremely lucky woman!

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That is why I plan on getting down to GW soon. I lost another 1.4 today, and have cut down any cheat meals to rare events. By now I am in deep ketosis, and just have to avoid boredom cheats. My next goal is to reach 150 lost (211), by my Dec 4th doctor appointment.

Hopefully by being strict, I make it a habit to not cheat very often.

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LOL, I can already tell at 49 that it takes more effort now. I do think that the amount of exercise we do is a major key and there are people who still do endurance workouts and strength training in their 70's and I'm hoping to be one of those, but things can happen that make it much harder to exercise, arthritis...
better to get rid off the pounds while it's easier.
Betty, thank you for speaking so honestly.
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BestLife and Russell, I don't want to burst your bubbles that you don't mind putting on the weight because it comes off so easy.... But, wait until you get older - things do not seem to work that way anymore. I've lost and gained over the years, always lost easily on the l/c diets, but now at 74, things just don't happen that way... I think our bodies, metabolism, or whatever changes as we get older and those pounds have grown to love us and just don't want to leave. Just sayin~~~ (at least thats the case for me and other older people that I know as well.)



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I'm 5'7 and about 220. I'm not thinner because I cheat, yes. When I do induction (2 weeks) I easily lose 20 lbs, and it's not just water- I lose inches and my jeans get big. I love low carb and I want to STAY low carb, but about as soon as I get going strong, I FEEL so amazingly strong that I think I'm invincible and I "taste" something........ I'm a binge eater. Once I start I can't stop. The longest Ive stayed on induction is 3 weeks straight- several times, but the 3 week mark seems to be my sticking point. My goal is to get going strong again and just DO. NOT. TRY. anything carb-loaded. I too just do it for the power andcontrol I have over myself while staying low carb. I'm not sure of the science, I just know it works for me.
But yeah, I'm over 200 and my lack of "success" with atkins is that I cheat. I also agree with the previous poster- part of the reason I cheat is because I know I can lose a quck 15-20 so no biggie. Ugh

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Suzanne. I am 225 at 5'8" tall. German, so I am stocky. I have lost 136 lbs over 3.5 years, but with ups and downs.

When I do stick to under 30 grams of carbs a day, and eat over 60% fat, I lose about a lb a day.Of course, I only eat 1/2 of what you do.. 1700 calories a day. I am not hungry, so see no reason to eat more. I also exercise 90-120 minutes a day.

I have had times when I feel a little hungry, so I will cook up an extra lb of ground beef, and add 4 ozs of shredded cheddar cheese. Even though this is a lot of extra calories, I seem to lose several lbs the next day, even if I get as high as 3500 calories. I use it when I get constipated.

I also wonder if people are doing it correctly sometimes. Low carb sometimes takes some tweaking. A lot of people try to eat 80-100 grams, and never admit it is too high a level for them. Others eat low carb products, or artificial sweeteners, which stall me completely. I can't even have sugar free jell-o. I have had to stick to whole, real food.

I know people will lose at different rates, but except for cheats, I lose at least 1/2 a lb every single day. Along with no hunger, this is why it works for me. I guess even if you aren't losing, it would make you feel better, and improve bloodwork, but I need to see movement on the scale daily. Usually when I don't lose, its because I have had a pop or something, and don't say anything, because no one expects me to lose a lb a day. I have been pretty consistent since Sept 1st, and have lost 32 lbs. I rarely eat on plan, and see no loss.

I lost weight at 360 lbs, while eating a dozen chicken thighs, and a dozen eggs a day, but as my weight has dropped, I don't seem to want to eat as much per day. It is nice to know that I can just eat a lb of ground beef, and still lose.

For anyone else, I don't mean this as a judgement. I just wish I could share the experience with you. Losing 15-25 lbs a month makes it so much easier sometimes. Of course, it may also be the reason I cheat, knowing I can drop 20 lbs easily.

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Thanks for the feedback on the fat fast.
I think taking temp in the morning, before getting out of bed is a very good indicator of low thyroid. My temp is usually a little under 97 and I easily get cold.
I've had some very mild symptoms like you describe on the fat fast even when going under 20 grams of carbs and seem to feel best with about 50.
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10/24/12 2:44 P

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Interesting! I too have a low body temp and even morbidly obese with twins my BP was excellent. Hmmmm?

Did the fast fat for a few days and it got me unstuck from longgggg plateau. Kept it off. I felt a little like I was going to get sick with a cold with slight yucky symptoms. Went on it again and the same symptoms appeared so it must have been it. Not terrible though. I felt a little wired. I can see why it would be hard to sustain. I like feeling "normal".

I may do it again and since that time I've become a bit like the cream cheese version of Suzanne! I eat cream cheese a couple of times a day. Macadamias didn't seem like enough to eat. I ate eggs. I have some brie for next time.

Feel free to ask any other questions about it.
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thanks, Trish, for mentioning your body temp! I wonder if that is indicative of a lower metabolism (in general)? I know my metabolism is on the mower side, but due to hearth rhythm issues, the docs are reluctant to put me on meds, as the low metabolism is not a major issue, and the heart rhythm is more critical for me (no caffeine for me).

My body temp has always been lower too, about 97.9, as has my blood pressure, which (on a HIGH day) is about 107 over 68. (Even when I was over 350 pounds, my BP was about 125-130 over 75-80.)

I wonder if/how this all is connected? Time to do some research!

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I love Suzanne's last sentence: 'I would eat this way no matter the number on the scale'. That is ABSOLUTELY how I feel right now. Yes, I do want and need to lose the weight, but the way I feel physically and mentally...nothing beats it.

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I think thyroid issues can really make a difference, even without Hashimoto's thyroiditis (autoimmune hypothyroidism). I suspect that in my case what started the problems was many dental amalgam fillings. I have had many of them removed, but 3 still remain. I'm hoping once they are all gone to do some sort of mercury detox. Many people have other heavy-metal contamination which can be chelated out but it takes someone who is experienced to do it. Hormone imbalances are often caused by this and often contribute to weight loss difficulties.
I finally decided to start reading Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution and skipped ahead after a while to chapter 18, Treating Extreme Metabolic Resistance: The Unique Fat Fast.
He mentions a couple of reasons why people have trouble losing, incl. not doing Inductions (below 20 grams/carbs) for 2 weeks or taking meds that interfere with metabolism but then explains that the most severely affected people can try a fat fast for up to a week. It consists of eating about 1000 calories a day with 90% of calories coming from fat, examples would be 10 oz. of cream cheese or five oz. of macadamia nuts. Dr. Atkins makes it clear that this is not designed for people who want to lose fat fast but only for the most severely weight-loss resistant.
I'd be curious who has tried this and how it worked for you, also if there were any side effects that you noticed.
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What a great thread!!!!!

I think we all need this to bolster our egos, and to get our spirits up.

Zaftig!! I love it!

I just always say that when the next famine comes along, I'm ready!! Bring it on!

I often go days with zero carb.

Yes, we are all so different. With thyroid problems, my "normal" body temperature is now 96.8 degrees. All my life, it has been 97.7. I was dealing with a cold the other day, and it was all the way up to 98.8, and I thought I was on fire!!

OK, so I'm not as thin as I would like to be, but I'm not so bad off. I can live like this, but my cholesterol isn't the best.

That being said, I'm not going to kill myself and try to lose like crazy, but I'm not going to be fat ever again.

Thank you all!




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Well, I would not be able to eat less. If you could be eating less, I am sure you would. The whole point of eating low carb is to not be hungry. It seems a lot of people probably have more medical issues going on in their bodies. That and genetics seem to be the two factors to slow down weight loss.
I would eat this way no matter the number on the scale.

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to get back to the basic question that Suzanne posed:

When I "cheat" it's with low/no carb foods. I don't ever do bread, flour, potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. My "cheating" is increased quantity.

Maybe if I were eating less I would lose (more) again..?

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Suzanneyea asked: “For the people who are not losing weight, are you cheating? I do not get why so few people are losing.”

In my case, toxin levels seem to play/have played a role.

I was weight-stable for a year after losing @35 lbs. LCHF has health benefits for me, so I never thought about giving it up, but spent about six months tweaking my way of eating, with no success per the scale. Tried LCHF with absurdly high or low calorie targets, scheduled high-carb days followed by zero carb, fat fasts, MOVE (with or without nuts), even HCG; my body always returned to the same weight and size.

My doctor recently recommended an intensive medically supervised detox program to lessen the severity of my chemical sensitivities. Weight loss hasn't been all that impressive, only six or seven pounds (far less than average, according to the clinic staff), but I've lost enough inches to have dropped more than one full dress size, and my calculated body fat percentage has decreased from 30% to 27%. Which is still too high for my preference, but lovely just the same.

And this has occurred without changing my physical activity or making any real changes to my way of eating--there is a five-hour period every other day during which I cannot eat, but I play around with IF and miss a number of meals unintentionally anyway, so can't think this is significant.

Any number of diet/nutrition writers mention the possibility of stored toxins returning to the system during weight loss; apparently for some of us, there's also a chance the body simply will not access toxin-containing fat while other options exist.

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Hi Suzanne,
As others have said, there is just a lot of variation from person to person on metabolism, body temperature, activity level and calorie needs. I really wish all the 'experts' took that into account when making recommendations, but they do have to pander to the average. And, since many of us are coming from greater-than-average struggles with life-long weight issues, many of us here are not average! Also, some of us have actually regained some insulin sensitivity by eating low carb while others still seem to struggle with every darn carb gram they eat.

When I went down to 30-50 Net Carbs per day, I went from 345 lbs to 215 lbs almost too easily. I still have about 20 lbs of fat that I would need to lose to start looking actually slim in a swim suit, but I am mostly trying to just maintain for a while. That last 20 lbs is going to require some really hard-core low carbing or some other change that I haven't bothered to really look for yet. Strangely, once I hit 215, my weight loss stopped and seems to be amazingly resistant to changes in my total calorie intake as long as I keep it fairly low carb. A week or two of sub-20g carb days does not make me lose weight easily. A week or two of 100g carb days does not make me gain fat (some water weight, but that goes away fast). I bet I eat between 1500 and 2800 calories per day without any change in weight....as long as it doesn't include grains and potatoes. Oh, and my weight is also partially based on the fact that I am 6 ft 3 inches tall!

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I wish low carb worked as well for everyone as it does for me. Even when I talk to other bulimics, they do not always lose the urge to binge and purge with zero carb. For me, I was instantly cured of any desire to binge or purge when I went low carb.
And I lose weight very easily, while other people lose so slowly.
I have noticed that we all have improved health though. Everyone seems to improve in that area and that really is the most important thing. I would rather weigh more and have great health and freedom from my food addiction.

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Yes, I'm suspecting I'm a minivan and Suzanne is a Ferrari! emoticon

I am starting my ticker again since starting low carb.

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Mahalo, CarolAnn -- I keep forgetting that not only can my age/slower metabolism affect my weight loss, but the antidepressants I am taking can also do that.

Interestingly, I changed meds about 2 months ago, and my loss has slowed down the past month - a LOT.

Such a wealth of information here - thanks to everyone for sharing. It really helps!

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what i like about this site and this team is you get a full view of so many peoples' issues. we're not all fat and trying to lose, which is what i am. i love hearing from people who are at their desired weight, people who are still trying like me, people who have huge issues, people who have minor issues.... i learn so much from everyone.
the living low carb peeps are my favorite cuz that seems to fit in my world and you guys are very consistent participants in this team.

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I'm reading all of your comments on losing weight or not losing weight and the various amounts of carbs eaten. At this point, I'm losing - but slowly. I'm 74, I weigh about 184, the highest I've weighed was 230 (haven't been back there for over 30 years now). I don't exercise except that I walk 3 miles most every day which takes me about an hour.

When I was younger I could lose weight without problem. I lost 50# on Atkins once, I lost 80# with WW once (that was when I was 230) So, you can see my life has been pretty much up and down.

As I've gotten older, I've found that losing weight is much more difficult. Even with the l/c I still have to keep calories around 1200 a day. And if I keep below 1200 I can actually slowly lose with about any type of food program. I choose the l/c way because I like the foods I'm allowed to eat.

So, I think that our metabolism changes, our lifestyles change, we get older, some have other health problems, medications, etc. makes a lot of difference. It's probably a different reason and different answer for each of us.

Whatever it might be, it does get frustrating though!!

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that'd be great moxie6. just like when you take your car in and they hook it up to the computer for a diagnostics test. and if they had it in the drug store like the blood pressure monitor. i use that thing all the time. emoticon

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I always wish there were a computer diagnostic I could plug in and it would spit out what I need to do differently! Each person probably has a magic formula to figure out and then most likely it would change! I have tweaked protein (lower) and fat (higher) and that's helped a bit.
I've been a busty curvy girl since I was 9 or 10 so I'm sure that's part of it.

I also like to joke I'm further evolved because I will last through any famine because I will still be living off my fat. I'd leave the show Survivor chubby. I could exercise all day and it wouldn't come off. I am the example of calories in/out not being true! I saw that over the time I lost 100+ pounds. See my mantra below!

I'd still like to lose 20 more pounds and being peri-menopausal does seem make it tougher.
I do think there is a point at which it is a matter of lifestyle. I'm not willing to make myself crazy just to get to a magic weight. I am healthy (and have been since '08 eating quality food) and since going low carb not as food oriented.

I try to remind myself just keep the focus on health and well being and realize we are all individuals.......

I am starting my ticker again since starting low carb.

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I think I can say that when you talk about "cheating" it sort of sounds like a judgement. Each person decides what there plan is and if this is a way of life eating, then it is just a decision of what you will eat or not as opposed to a diet that you would "cheat" on.

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Ok mom is French and has always been thin about 10 years ago she became a diabetic again she is 5'3 about 125, always moving never heavy I started putti g in weight in 2000 when I had anxiety attacks the meds killed it for me , I am not on Sny meds at all now in January I will be 50 this is the most I have ever weighted 210 now I'm down to 192 but I hv been strict since may no sugar or anything starchy. I don't track all I eat is breakfast 2 eggs scrambles some homemade salsa avocado and 2 bacon lunch is usually on the go do its a double cheeseburger no bun or ketchup then dinner steak and probably broccoli I do dril half cafe coffee with heavy cream and sf syrups. I hv been lifting 3 days a week but not heavy but it's still a workout ! I don't know what else to do ! I just sit where I am and that's it it drives me crazy but if I eat the other crap I will gain weight do fast and then I don't feel good! Do I don't know what else to go! If you have any ideas I'm open

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Carol, no one is judging anyone here. We are just having a discussion about fast vs slow weight loss. This is not personal. Trying to figure out why some people lose easily, like me, and others really have to fight for each pound.
I have found these personal stories very interesting and informative.
I am from a family of very thin people. While I was never obese, I was a binge eater. I was bulimic so my weight never got too high. My highest was 168 after my first pregnancy. Then I was 157 after James.

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my dad was not fat. though he was a big guy. solid, 6'2" or so. he could probably have stood to lose 40 pds(?) had a bit of an inner tube around his waist when he died. but, he didn't exercise one little bit. and he drank alot of hard alcohol (scotch, whiskey, i think) and i'm sure his diet was meat and potatoes. he died of a heart attack at 57.
pictures of my grandpa show a big man. overweight, but, the type you'd describe as a big man, but, wouldn't consider fat. i guess my grandpa and dad were the same physically. grandpa died in his 60's of a heart attack. but, he smoked and had parkinsons too and also did not exercise.

my paternal grandma and aunt were definitely fat broads. tall and fat like me.
i remember in the 70's my dad saying once that his sister wore muumuus alot and when she was coming down the street she looked like a clipper ship in full sail.

i worry more about my health than my physical looks. so, if i am overweight but healthy i can live with that. i would like to lose at least 20 more pounds. i think i would be totally healthy then. for vanity's sake i would like to lose 60 pds.




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Guess the first thing I should say is.....you didn't know me when I was pushing 300 pounds four years ago....and it's taken that long to lose 50 something pounds. Yes, family genetics play a part in it (German/Irish potato butt/gutt here); some people have better metabolism; there is menopause/perimenopause; medications and I should add mental health - I can promise that a person dealing with depression/major depression or other issues has a difficult time just getting out of bed some days, let alone exercising.

My family is not only tall, but built big and can look at my Mom & Dad and see all the weight around the middle/hip area. I also take two medications which have KNOWN side effects for weight gain. My two sisters have the same shape and are overweight - one has Leukemia one has thyroid issues. Meds are certainly involved there as well.

I think it's safe to say that we are all different, lose at different rates and some have a longer path to walk to get to a healthier weight than others. I don't think it's fair to judge a person by a number on their weight loss tracker with out knowing the whole story (or put it out there that the reason they are not losing as fast compared another person is because they are cheating).

It's just my opinion as one of those 200+ pound slow losers.

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I've never weighed more than 170 lbs. and that was many years ago. I did abuse sugar for many years since I was a teenager and my blood sugar levels were probably horrible for a long time, I just didn't know. It would not surprise me if blood sugar levels are a major factor in how much weight we can lose and how much exercise it takes to get there.
There are several variables that may be worth trying:
- Lowering carbs further
- Raising carbs a little
- Raising protein a little
- Lowering protein a little
- Raising calories (a little or a lot)
- Lowering calories (but not below 1200)
- Eliminating all sugar but allowing a little starch
- Increasing exercise (a little or a lot)
- Increasing cardio but not strength training
- Increasing strength training but not cardio
- Increasing or decreasing low-intensity exercise
- Increasing or decreasing high intensity exercise
- eliminating foods one is allergic to
- adding supplements based on blood tests (esp. Vitamin D, magnesium)
- cutting medications
- treating other diseases that affect metabolism
- increasing/decreasing sleep
- testing for hormone imbalances

I just wrote a blog about the 80/20 rule which addresses the question of how much effort to put into a goal.
For me it's worth it to fine-tune a little more but eventually I will have to settle for not quite perfect. emoticon


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Suzanne, I think the difference might be two fold.
First you started at a lower weight, and you're main concern is not being obsessed with food.
lower starting weight, (I understand you never got above 160 before you started Low carb) means (if I understand low carb right) means that you weren't really struggling with the High Insulin levels a lot of us deal with that make us crave carbs so much.

Second I think,and just to add insult to injury, the more you weigh, the more you crave carbs I think. at least I know that's always been my experience. I think this is because of the high insulin levels, our bodies are not using the food we eat efficiently and we're not experiencing the high energy levels that help a skinny person move more often and for longer just naturally even without factoring in the exercise people try to do.

That's my take on it anyway. FWIW, kitty

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Concerning the 20% fat ground beef, the grocery stores count the fat by weight not by percentage of calories. I'm not good at math but 20% fat by weight is around 70% fat by calories.
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Russian ancestry here -- what is now Ukraine and Poland. "Zaftig" is the word that comes to mind when describing my genetic history: big thighs mostly, muscular calves, larger breasted, and a definite waist. (Even when I weighed over 350 pounds, I had a noticeable waist, albeit huge.)

The one time I was the "right weight" of 140-ish (19 yrs old), I still had large legs (I was 5'6" then, and am now a bit over 5'5"). I looked "normal" whatever that is, but in truth, it sure sounded like a lot of pounds then, having heard of friends weighing 120 and less at my height! On the other hand, few were curvy/busty/hippy like me. I've always felt big, or at least, bigger than most.

Now, my legs are still humongo, my thighs hugely baggy and saggy. *shrug* part of being nearly 61, and having weighed so much for so many years.

All that said, my carbs are consistently under 20, usually 10 or less. Exercise doesn't seem to move the weight, though I feel better for it. Even at 1200-1500 calories a day, with the occasional less than 1000 or a day closer to 2000, my weight does not "fall" off.

Genetics? I am willing to bet on it. My mom had huge legs too. And her mom as well. (No sisters to compare to, only brothers.)

I guess many are "more fortunate" and can eat and eat, and not gain. By the way, my weight loss has been about the same over the years... when comparing any time I restarted a "diet" - 9-11 lbs the first week, and eventually dropping to 1-2 or an occasional 3 lbs a week. Maybe that's changing and slowing now, as I approach 61.

I think I often eat too much, even if it IS VLC. Gotta get the emotion stuff sorted, I know.

Ok, I've blathered on enough..

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So that would not really be a high fat diet even though it is high fat ground beef. 20 % would be pretty low compared to what I do.

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That looks like around 3500 calories (20% fat). Wow.

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I do not know my calories, but I eat about 2 1/2 to 3 pounds of high fat ground beef a day. Plus, a few egg yolks. I see a lot of people who also ate the same or less than me and they never lost a pound. They were also zero carb.
I se a lot os people here not really losing. I dropped my baby weight without effort too. And I am 41. I think I lost about 50 to60 pounds after James in a few months.

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Gail, I just about laughed my latte back out at your "witch's brew" summary! Yup, that sums it up nicely!

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i never really had to worry about my weight until about 35 when i started getting health problems. i was in pain alot of the time, so, didn't exercise and it was female issues, so hormones played a part. then, i had a hyserectomy and the weight started going up. then we started a business where all i do is sit at a computer or drive all day, so, the weight continued to go up.
if i eat anything carby, like sandwiches or sausage rolls say, i can easily gain 5 pds in one day. and i don't have to pig out, just what someone would normally eat.
so, it is hard to lose weight and keep it off with such a fussy body. also, i still like to drink cider in the evening a couple times a week and while i don't see a gain, i'm sure i would lose some more if i cut that out totally.
i'm 5'10" and curvy (i'll never be too slim. i wouldn't be able to carry the girls around emoticon ) and i have several friends who are tiny and eat way more than me all the time. i doubt they'll ever have weight problems. my neighbor complains about her small body (5' tall and very petite). i tell her it's a much more useful body, it's sporty and easily taken care of...LOL.
anyway, somewhere in there is a witches' brew of hormones, food choices, exercise choices, genetics and lord knows what else.
my mom sometimes gives me a hard time about my weight (her side of the family all slim). i tell her it's her fault for marrying into a fat family! (lots of chunky folks in that group)

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Suzanne, I'm glad you brought it up - slow to non-existent weight loss on a low carb plan intrigues, interests, and frustrates me. I seldom stray from my LC plan (which hovers at between 50 - 75 net carbs per day), yet my weight loss is not happening. I am 5'8" and I know I have a lot of muscle. It is not toned up, but if I worked out and lifted weights I would be a very solid chunk of woman! I have never been thin becuase of it, but I know now that I was lean in my youth... :)

Now at age *choke* 50 (still sounds like I'm talking about someone else) my ability to lose weight has definitely slowed. I have been on a year-long experiment to see what works for me and what doesn't. What I am sure of now is to lose weight I need to control my calories and I need to work out. I think my ideal calorie range (for weight loss) is about 1200 - 1500, and I suspect that I need at least 30 minutes of cardio about four times a week (not counting dog walks!) to speed up my metabolism.

The experiment of losing weight for me has been disrupted by school and life, and then most recently by a violent head cold. Now I am back in the game and while I am committed to NOT weighing myself, I am going to pay more attention to how much I eat and how much I work out. I am so frustrated by having to experiment and I am so annoyed that what used to work doesn't anymore!! However, I am really healthy otherwise, so I just tell that frustrated voice to shut up and do the next right thing. I am boggled by people who can consume a ton of meat and fat and the weight just falls off of them, and I now know I am not one of those people.

Drat.

Interesting thread!!

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I think a lot of it also has to do with what our highest weight ever was and how long we stayed there. On the way down I would stop for weeks anywhere I had maintained a weight for a long period on the way up. In addition, now, it is a tremendous battle for me to maintain at 181 -- if I slack for a second I can gan 3-5 lbs in a day or two -- my body just wants to be 220. Getting below 181 has been impossible.

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Kristin, thanks! I'm still trying to figure it out. I had started strength training (upper body, which is very weak) and overdid it a little, resulting in tendinitis. I'm starting again today with a combo of swimming and a lighter upper body workout.
My ticker unfortunately will not show both lean muscle and body fat but I'm getting a monthly scan so hope to find the answer soon if strength training helps. My doctor, who is on board with low-carb, sure thinks so but implied it might take a while. So I'm hoping to see slow improvement. I know that cardio (longer periods of low-level) will help to reduce body fat but does less to increase muscle strength ( maybe slight toning and improvement in efficiency of movement is what I got from running).
I will continue to blog about my progress daily for a while.
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Suzanneyea,what is your usual calorie level?

My people are also hearty of build, large of bone, and born to put on weight. The year I hit puberty, I added 40 lbs without changing anything. I was on the volleyball and basketball teams at school, with the physical activity that implies. It's just how I'm made. Of course, the typical high carb diet didn't help anything, but still, nothing had changed but the weight and hitting puberty.

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Birgit....I love your post. Lots of my own thoughts there. Do you think adding more strength training will help move your body fat percentage down? Or do you already do strength training and is it helping?

I love your body fat ticker. I'm at 25.7% body fat and my goal is 20%. Thoughts for me?

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"Maybe natural selection would have favored people who could exercise for many hours a day and those are the people who have trouble losing weight now."

LOL. Counterintuitive, but logical as heck. My people were not selected to be frail. Picture beefy cossacks on their beefy steppe ponies or beefy peasant farmers choosing their robust wives based on how much body heat they generate on those cold Ukrainian winter nights and how many sacks of wheat they can stack in the barn in one day.

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I was just about to blog about this. I've been on ultra-low carb for a week now (although carbs climbed a little bit up to 50 yesterday). Once the carbs started going over 20-30 grams the loss stopped. My weight of 130 lbs. at 5'7" may suggest that I don't have more to lose but my body fat still was 23.6 at this weight and my H A1c test was in the pre-diabetic range. I do think that eating too much protein can be a problem, most people who don't do a LOT of strength training don't need more than 80 grams/day and some need less than that. Extra will spike insulin to some degree.
My action plan for the next 10 days will be to increase exercise significantly now that I'm used to the lower carbs again and have almost kicked caffeine to the curb which triggers carb eating for me. I sure hope it will help. I'd like my body fat to go down to 18% but eve 20% would be much better.
Giving up all carbs or even fruit and yogurt long-term would definitely put a crimp in my style,LOL. It would probably not do it for vanity but only to keep my blood sugar levels healthy.
I do want to add that hypothyroidism (both autoimmune and from other causes like lack of iodine) is hugely underdiagnosed and makes weight loss much more difficult. My thyroid levels (TSH) have come down on low-carb from over 8 to about 6 but are still not in the ideal range. Other factors: lack of sleep, high stress, not enough meditation/spiritual health, lack of Vitamin D (seasonal affective disorder) other addictive addictions or addictive
My last point: What if 30 minutes of low-intensity exercise is NOT nearly enough? Maybe natural selection would have favored people who could exercise for many hours a day and those are the people who have trouble losing weight now. I know that in summer, when I'm physically active most of the day my weight has always been about 10 lbs. lower than in the winter. With a sedantary job it might help to sit on an exercise ball and move around on it a little while sitting at a desk, also to get up once an hour and do a few exercise for even 2 minutes.
This is a great thread, let's keep it going. emoticon

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Woubbie, you just told my story too - even with the "skeleton" at 138.
The thing about low carb is that I don't feel deprived.
Right now, I'm in size 14 pants, but still a long way from my goal. I'll get there, but at a slow pace.
It really is "all in my head". I feel crappy and don't want to do anything. I'll get over it!

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LOL! Makes no sense to me. I was fat as a kid, chubby as a pre-teen, and overweight as a teenager, and I only lost a substantial amount of weight in my twenties by being absolutely broke and having no money for anything but the bare minimum of food. As soon as my finances began to improve and I added any kind of calories back I began to gain. (Of course, the lowest I EVER weighed as an adult was 138 and I looked rather skeletal. A BIG skeleton, but skeleton nonetheless.)

I could almost certainly cut additional calories and carbs from my menu, but I'd rather take forever and a day to get to my goal than to be miserable for more than a few hours at a time. Yes. "Hedonist." I know.

Honestly, I don't imagine most of us would settle for eating nothing much more than burgers, steaks, and water for the rest of our lives. It might produce the weight loss, but the price in satisfaction would be too high for most people. And for me, even doing that in the short run would be unpleasant.

My first SparkPeople rule (3 weeks before re-discovering low carb) was on June 2, 2011:

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I will not eat food that I do not like

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I will not eat a food that I don't like because "it's healthy," "it's good for you." "you shouldn't eat that other stuff that you really like cause it's [fattening, unhealthy, bad for you, fill in the blank]."
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Even on my highest fat-consumption days I still feel physical hunger a lot, and I just don't like it, so I eat. Meh. Life's too short to run around with a growling stomach all the time. I did that in my twenties and I still remember how unpleasant it was, always waiting anxiously for my next allotted food, and not often getting enough to feel satisfied. I think my daily food budget back in 1981 was something like 87 cents, lol! Oodles of Noodles accounted for 28 cents of that!

I still FEEL great, and my body composition is slowly changing for the better, so I've resigned myself to taking years to lose what I need to lose. I only started losing again recently when I dropped my protein intake below 100g a day, and I suspect I should drop it even further. As soon as I started building muscle I started GAINING again.

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Right now I am not losing and I am on no meds I take supplements and that's all

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I have know a lot of people who even went zero carb and still did not lose. I really do not think they were cheating either. They were also obese. Why don't they lose. Maybe not a lot, but some. It seems so unfair.
My heart goes out to all of you who stay on plan and do not get great results.

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I lose when I stay on track. When I don't stay focused, I eat a little of this and a little of that, which the little of this and little of that is usually carbs! When I was eating zero carb, I was losing. Now I'm not. Obviously time to make a change. I do love eating zero carb or even very low carb. I wish I didn't stop!!

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I think that age/menopause etc. and what meds are being taken play a big part in whether or not you lose or how you lose. Metabolism changes in different times of our lives and also how active we are or can be. We are all different as you said and like Gary Taubes talks about in his book. I remember the nude photos he shows of the twins. Some skinny and some fat.



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I don't cheat for weeks and I don't lose weight. It can become very frustrating. Granted, I have low thyroid, so losing is difficult, even with the proper level of replacement medication.

Then I get disgusted for a while, make some poor choices, but I spring back eventually.

It's all in my head. The weight loss isn't easy.





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Are you losing weight? I just do not get why I can eat three times the amount of someone 200 pounds. I know genetics and health play role, but 100 pounds????

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I don't cheat but I don't track either I eat protein and veggies mostly green ones and my big vise is my coffee with cream with sf sweeteners

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I am 5 5 and weigh about 106. Yet, I see so many people on here who weigh over 200 pounds, but they post their food for the day and it is a lot less than I eat.
For the people who are not losing weight, are you cheating? I do not get why so few people are losing.

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