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3/28/13 9:32 P

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Thanks for the info.That all sounds so sad and sometimes we forget about the family and what they go through in a situation like that.I know a nephew of my HB's is in federal prision.I'm not even sure what he's in for but living in a small town when his name was on the news people questioned us about it.Since his mother had been divorced we didn't even really know him but some folks treated us a little strangely.It wasn't something like murder.No telling how they might have acted then. emoticon

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Amanda's Italian boyfriend was Raffaele Sollecito, and he, too, was acquitted of the murder. A third man (Guido, Giado, Guedo) was found guilty of the murder and was initially sentenced to 30 years, but on appeal it was reduced by about half. A fourth man was initially arrested in connection to the murder, but was released without charges.

Until yesterday, Sollecito lived and studied in Verona, Italy. It is rumored he has moved out of Italy to Switzerland, but as of today, he hasn't been spotted - it remains a rumor that he is in Switzerland.

The Italian Court of Cassation (?) also denied a prosecution request for a re-do on the DNA found on a knife and identified as some belonging to Amanda and the other belonging to Meredeth. The prosecution excluded all of the other DNA gathered at the scene and the court basically said, "Re-test it all, or re-test none."

Neither Amanda or Raffaele will be required to return to Italy for the retrial.

So far, there has been no claim of new evidence.

Raffaele recently had his book of the whole thing published, and Amanda had a $4 million deal to have her memoirs published, but that was postponed when the Italian Court overturned the Not Guilty verdict and sent it back for a retrial.

The bulk of the $4 million would go to pay her extensive legal bills and pay back both of her sets of parents and step-parents and grandmother, all of whom mortgaged their homes to pay for the many trips they took going to Italy to support her and the final trip to get her when she was released. Her parents were previously divorced and both re-married.

Amanda is living with her current, and former, boyfriend in a rundown section of Seattle that has a population mostly of Asian families.

Based on a story from a British magazine, it appears she is suffering from what could be agoraphobia or depression. Amanda has said that the reason she isn't out in public very much is due to the hounding of the paparazzi who even now continue to stalk her.

IMO, the Italian Prosecution's team were never able to prove that she had murdered her roommate, nor was there any evidence there had been a conspiracy to murder her roommate.

I can't even begin to imagine the hell the parents of Amanda, Meredeth and Raffaele have gone through over the past six years. I'm not sure any of their families will ever recover from this evil event.

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emoticon Like coach I too would like to know what happened to the boyfriend.Was he found not guilty the first time or what? I can't remember.You young ones should remember more than this old woman.

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The sisters of Lady Justice in eight of the foreign countries I have been in are never blindfolded. The presumption of innocence is looked at as some Utopian, naive theory that Justice is really just.

I hope to never gain the experience that being in jail gives one, not even in the United States. International Jails that I know I don't want to be in are Germany, France, Italy, Spain, and the Philippines,

From my contacts and friends who have been stationed in various countries, no country that borders the Mediterranean Sea has jails that are fit for man or beast, with the exception of Israel. Israel has a much more developed presumption of innocence for most things, except terrorism. From what I've been told, suspected terrorists are even held in a different place than any other type of suspected scoff-law.

Jails in Mexico are not conducive to good health, neither are the ones in the Balkan countries or the jails of any of the former members of the USSR.

The United States does have an extradition treaty with Italy, but as high a profile case as this is, it would be tough to call on how quickly the United States would act in an extradition request, particularly when the reason for the retrial is basically, "We can't find any evidence that she did anything wrong, but after we get her back here in jail, she'll confess". An American lawyer arguing AGAINST her extradition might be able to challenge the issue on double jeopardy, or that the initial ruling by the Italian courts was correct.

Whoever the Attorney General at the time of the request from Italy, presumably, "walking her over the border", so to speak, to Italy, would cause a very negative reaction throughout the United States.

Italy has a huge International Black Eye for the bumbling, unprofessional (bordering on the illegal) way this case has been prosecuted from the very start.

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3/27/13 7:08 P

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Does anyone know what happened to Amanda's boyfriend? He was released as well, I thought and didn't he come to the US, too?



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3/27/13 7:06 P

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I hope she stays put in the US.



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3/27/13 4:08 P

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Remind me not to get arrested in italy!


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I went to Italy this last September. Absolutely the most beautiful country for it's landscape, architecture and it's significant historical contributions.

I could see myself living there. I've never been someplace that I felt more at home and relaxed.

Maybe I had a past life there!

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I was just reading about the case online. It seems she is in the US. If this is the case, the chance that the US will extradite a citizen is close to none, so as long as she remains in American soil she is fine.

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emoticon She may have done it but Italy is definetly off my lists of places I might visit someday.I don't like their justice system. emoticon

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3/27/13 10:56 A

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The whole case gave the Italian judicial system a black ee. The case was mishandled from the get-go.

The investigation showed the incompetency of the local law enforcement.

The Italian govt is going to use any method possible to save face.

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I was surprised by this outcome. How many changes of decision can justice make and still be considered justice? I come from a country where "justice" is very flexible and influenced by money, to me it seems that the same is happening in this case..

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My understanding of Italian crimial law is that the first and second levels of trial are pro-forma for major crimes. At the first level, if found guilty, the defendents are still afforded a presumption of innocence until found guilty at the secendo grado trial. The primo grado trial is more than an arraginment, but less than a superior court trial. The secondo grado trial is the final word - as much as a superior court trial is in the US.

Appeal to the Court of Cassation is not automatic, and the very fact that the prosecutors could argue that a retrial is justified not on the basis of any kind of misconduct, new evidence or procedural basis but merely on the idea that the verdict was wrong is distasteful to me to say the least.

Under circumstances like that, "innocent until proven guilty" kind of loses its meaning.


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This one blows me away. The prosecution's argument for a new trial wasn't based on any kind of new evidence uncovered, or a procedural failure, or charge of any kind of misconduct on the part of Ms. Knox or her attorney - it was, in essence "but she's guilty."

Apparently, in Italy, double jeopardy is a reality.

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