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4/2/13 3:13 P

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Thanks! Since my oldest grandchild is 25 Pop, there could be "greats" to plague sooner than I think!

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4/2/13 12:53 A

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Bridie - I know I am lucky. My whole history with my heart has been filled with little, "My, what a coincidence", vignettes.

Starting with the fact that the doctor who "subbed" for my family doctor was a cardiologist. Then we found that his son was my oldest sons best friend. They lived on the next back and 6 houses down.

One morning, early in my rehab, I was taking a hot shower (I liked them really hot) when I felt dizzy, got out of the shower and collapsed just into the bedroom. It was early, so we called Dr. Aiyer's service and he was knocking on our door as my wife was talking to his service. He made a house call!

I now know that HOT showers are not something I can indulge in because all the little arteries go wide open to cool your body down. All of those arteries running wide open at once slows down the blood to your brain, which reduces oxygen to the brain and you lose consciousness.

Eleven years later, I had another heart attack, which required 5 bypasses. The cardiovascular surgeon who did the bypass visited me after I was out of CICU, and asked me if he had done surgery on me before?

When I told him, "No", he mentioned that it was really strange. He didn't remember me, but when he cracked my chest it looked as if he was looking at his own work (we had moved from Houston to Kansas City). He asked the name of the doctor who did my first surgery and I replied, "Dr. Raoul Garcia".

"That's why! Dr. Garcia trained me at the Houston Heart Institute. My work should look exactly as what I found. In 8 years of surgery, this is definitely a first".

Eleven years and one month later, I was in the Cardiology Suite for my annual stress test. For the previous two years the nurses had told me my results were better then men half my age and with no significant heart disease. I had been routinely running 5 miles a day - three flat days and two two days when I ran hills, followed by a week that was three days of hills and two days of flats.

I told the cardiac nurses that my goal this time was to "break the treadmill". I started the test and had reached 15 minutes and 11 degrees of elevation when the treadmill started to shut down - I felt fine. I looked over at the monitor that showed heart rate and it was throwing off incredible, impossible numbers: 360, 280, 600, etc. I thought the treadmill had actually broken and I started to laugh - until the nurse asked me, "Are you in pain, Mr. C?"

"No, I'm just ..". The Nurse who was just monitoring the procedure told me to step off the treadmill. The one nurse was unhooking the leads from the treadmill tracker and reattaching them to a portable EKG machine and the other said, "I'm calling a code".

I wasn't understanding what was going on - my breathing had slowed and I had no pain, but when a cardio-thoracic surgeon, an electo-physiologist and two other cardiologists and two more nurses exploded into the room, I was totally surprise.

I was even more surprised when one of them told me to lean forward and then started slapping my back, 'vigorously', Then I overheard a nurse asking one of the doctors if she should open the crash cart and heard him say, "Yes", I began to be concerned. Still no pain.

The crash cart nurse started an IV, "D5WTKO" (Wringer's Lactate To Keep Open) and I was really starting to get nervous. Then my cardiologist told the nurse next to the EKG machine to connect me and run a test strip. The electro-physiologist had me hold my nose and try to "pop" me ears like I was in a descending plane, then he had me lay back while he gave me a carotid artery massage, then had me set up, then told the surgeon to charge the defibrillator, then hit me over the lungs, then the surgeon announced, "Charged", then the EP doc shouted "Conversion!"

The room went quiet and everyone was looking at the heart rate display monitor as it hit 138 and was lowering and staying steady. The EP doc told my my heart had gone into dysrythmia, a potentially life threatening cardiac "event". He wanted me to stay in the hospital overnight for observation and tests the next day.

They were going to call my wife, but I asked if I could make the phone call because if she heard my voice, she wouldn't get quite so upset. I called her, told her basically what happened, heard her voice climb into that, "I don't care what you are telling me, all I hear is that your cardiologist is admitting you to the hospital", tone.

The bank she was working at is about a 25 minute drive on Sunday morning with no traffic. The doctors suite was attached to the hospital - it was basically down one hall to the elevator, then down another hall to the room they were putting me in (about 15 minutes.

Cherry was in the room waiting for us.

Tests, more tests, re-take the treadmill, heart has a short again but converts back to normal around 136. Dx: (?) Arrhythmia and Echo showed cardiomyopathy. Rx: Pacemaker/Defibrillator.

Your sister and I are the same age. Tell her an acquaintance of yours told her, "Stay positive and keep watching the sun rise".

For both of you, "May you live as long as you want, and plague your great-great-grandchildren".

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3/28/13 10:36 A

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Bridie, I do not like reality TV either. I have a life to live, I do not need to be watching other people living theirs. I do have a disturbing attraction for the show “Wives swap” though. I can’t explain, the whole thing is ridiculous (maybe that is the thing), but I watch one every 6 months…..
Don’t you started me on the Kardashians… LOL


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You're a lucky man, Pop. My sis was only about 48 when she complained of shortness of breath, and was given an inhaler for "allergies" and a pat on the back. It was only after she almost died that they did an echo and full cardio workup..only to find she has severe cardio myopathy. She's still trucking at 66, but now has a pacemaker /defibrillator installed to keep her going. You just never know.

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Many heart challenges are difficult to diagnose at all, and proper diagnosis requires specialized testing that is financially not cost worthy.

We have had a number of college basketball players over the years you have collapsed and died in practice or in a game. The ones I remember were mostly related to an enlarged heart. To diagnose an enlarged heart requires an examination by a doctor, and if the heart sounds are within normal parameters and the athlete hasn't complained of being unusually tired or not being able to catch his/her breath, an echo-cardiogram doesn't even into consideration and a heart catheritzation wouldn't even be considered.

If "reality" sticks it's nose under the tent of Reality Shows, the real results come as a real shocker.

In January of 1980, I experienced intense heart pain and drove myself to the ER. I was admitted through the ER and was monitored and tested for two days. The cardiologist didn't even do an echo or take chest x-rays. His conclusion was Endocarditus (a swelling of the lining of the sac the heart is surrounded by. In April, while getting ready to coach my oldest son's Little League team, I had a crushing feeling - as if an elephant was setting on my chest. My wife took me to the ER, and the doctor who was overseeing our family doctors patients while he took a four day vacation happened to be in the hospital when I was admitted to the ER. The bad news was that the two ER doctors looked too young to have been out of medical school and probably needed adult supervision.

When my "sub" came in, he immediately started giving rapid-fire orders, had a saline drip started and a electrocardiogram run. That's when the wheels came off as far as I was concerned. Lightening ripped through my chest and down my left arm, my BP crashed and I quit remembering much except the pain. I was given morphine injected straight through the Drip, but it hadn't started to work when I reached the max allowable cumulative dose. He switched over to another strong pain medication and finally I couldn't feel the pain.

I was admitted to the Cardiac Intensive Care unit and promptly dropped off to sleep when my adrenaline levels crashed.

Anticipating I had a "stress" heart attack, I was put on a six month rehab regimen. I got to the point where I was jogging a quarter mile, then walking a quarter mile for a total distance of five miles. This was under a Texas summer sun. I was also swimming for half an hour, two times a day, but I just couldn't get past a point my cardiologist was comfortable with, so he scheduled a heart cath.

I checked into the hospital Friday morning for the heart cath and was waiting in recovery for the news. When my doctor came in accompanied by two doctors in scrubs. As soon as I looked into their eyes, I said, "Give it to me straight, no b-ll sh-t. What's the plan".

The no BS part was I hadn't had a stress related heart attack and had lost about a third of my heart muscle. All four of the main heart arteries were occluded, with the left anterior descending about 98% blocked. I was going to stay in the hospital and would be the first surgery done at 6AM on Monday. There were no sign there had ever been an episode of endocarditus as the sac was not hazy at all.

I had no clue, my family doctor had no clue, the original cardiologist had no clue, my cardiologist had a "feeling", his partner who did the heart cath told me he was 99% sure that I didn't have any major problems, but that he was doing the heart cath just so my doctor (Aiyer) would "get off my back".

He came back that Friday afternoon and apologized to me for making light of a serious condition that he would have bet his life I didn't have.

At 5:45AM Monday morning, the entire power grid the hospital was on crashed. They had enough back-up generators to ensure all functions of the hospital remained up, but they canceled any "elective" surgeries. I got into the surgery suite Tuesday about 5:55 and was prepped, given the anesthetic and went away. I woke up after they had done 4 bypasses.

I later learned that just after they had switched me to the heart-lung bypass machine that I threw a marble sized clot that would have put me down for the final count if I hadn't been already on the line. I have now lived with the bypass for as long as I lived without it, 33 years, both ways.

Even if the producers of the show had done a very strict physical, and I imagine the Production Company insists on it for liability reasons, Some heart problems, defects, or genetic variations are nearly impossible to predict, unless you have Dr. McCoy's Full Body Scanner from the Enterprise.

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3/27/13 8:42 P

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I don't watch them...they are a waste of time.



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3/27/13 8:00 P

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I loathe reality TV..or "unreality TV" as is actually the case. It's what made "stars" out of the kadashians forsakes..for that alone it should be boycotted IMHO.

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emoticon emoticon Yes I did mean abalation.Hopefully she will be alright now.My point was they missed this on her Navy physical and was thinking perhaps the person on the show had the same problem.Either way it's a shame it happened.I personally don't like reality shows.I know noone who lives a reality like that.

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Shirley....did you mean heart ablation?

An ablation is performed to correct abnormal heart rhythm. Many done now are are minimally invasive thru a catheter instead of an open heart procedure. When successful, people can lead normal lives with no side effects. I would imagine the military however, would not want to take a chance on something like that. Some arrhythmia conditions are more serious than others.

As for the poor soul who lost his life filming the reality series.....it's a shame but some people take these kind of risks all the time with extreme sports, etc.



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3/27/13 4:15 P

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My husband , a draftee during Viet Nam, was passed by the Army physical as fit to serve. His heart murmur was "suddenly discovered" during his discharge physical. Just sayin'..


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Odd things do happen.I remember a fact just happened last year.My granddaughter did join the Navy last year.She is only 20 and had a problem for a while with drugs and alcohol.Her mother is a certified midwife For anyone not familiar with medical titles education etc.It means you are like a physicians assistant with lots of medical training.The girl passed the physical and went to training.Shortly into training she had a heart episode which caused her discharge.She has since then had a heart abulution.She is still alive and for the moment seems healthy enough.Heart conditions do run in her family on the mother's side and the mother although she works long hours etc also has a heart murmor.As I said heart trouble runs in the family so who knows.This I know for a fact is true and we're so glad the girl didn't die.So sometimes even medical people don't know.

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3/27/13 11:09 A

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As in school level sports, physicals are performed in order to participate but they don't always find heart problems.

Their are many less than ethical Dr's that perform physicals, pass the patient for a quick buck.

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I would think that the participants have a check up done before participating in such shows. It is surprising that it took so many years before somebody died in such extreme competitions, although, a 25 year old having a heart attack is not a common thing..

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I know this particular incident is out of the ordinary but I'm not surprised that something hasn't happened sooner. It's not the physical challenges that are at issue, it's the nutritional deficiency, the poisonous snakes and insects that the players encounter that are more of a danger.

Does the show require all participants to undergo a physical?

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French 'Survivor' season canceled following death of contestant in Cambodia

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"The Hollywood Reporter -- Production of the French "Survivor" adaptation "Koh-Lanta" has been stopped and the series canceled for the 2013 season following the death of a contestant during filming in Cambodia.

Channel TF1 and production company Adventure Line Productions (ALP) jointly made the decision to cancel the season. "It is not really a question," said TF1 spokesperson Alexander Petit following the death. "Everyone is being flown back to France. No decision has been made about the long-term continuation of the series."

Gerald Babin, 25, died Friday after suffering cardiac arrest during the first day of filming. After the group jumped from a boat and participated in a tug-of-war, Babin complained of cramps in his arms and was given medical attention at the scene by the staff doctor before being airlifted by helicopter to a nearby hospital. He suffered a series of cardiac arrests during the transfer before reaching the facility, the companies said."
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Tragic, to be taken so young. I wonder if it was an undiagnosed heart condition, or if drugs were involved.

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