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BRIDIE5 Posts: 8,121
9/9/13 6:30 P

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Ally, pure and simple, they wanted to get out of their contract with paula..probably for economic reasons or because her popularity was waning. All this other garbage is smoke and mirrors.

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9/9/13 5:16 P

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I'm coming in late on this, but I did find the situation interesting.

Never been a fan of Deen's. Liked her even less after the diabetes baloney.

But I believe she and the issue were treated differently in this controversy. Had it been other minority groups she referred to as offensively, it would have caught less attention. Around the same time, we had Alec Baldwin's gay bashing. He didn't take the same fall from grace as Paula. Paula's comment was years ago; Baldwin's current. Does it make a difference because she is female and Alec is male?

While retailers were removing Paula's name branded products from their stores, those same retailers continued selling music with the same offensive racial slur. But it's okay if a black male uses the word; just not a white woman. I believe that is wrong; for equality, it goes both ways. I find the word highly offensive. We recently watch Django (fiction, but with historical slavery references); when you see the way slaves were treated, powerless, and abused, all the while being called that word, it speaks deeply to my soul why no one should ever utter it again. Amazing Grace is another good movie, based on a true story, of the reason to retire that word from present day vocabulary for people of all skin colors.

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I do believe the racial discussion can be taken too far. True story. Black shelter pets are often overlooked at shelters through no fault of their own. Google "black shelter pets" to see. Many shelters and volunteers - across the nation - use creative marketing to raise awareness for black, homeless pets. Recently in Arlington, TX, the shelter was offering a black pet adoption special to help black cats and dogs be adopted. The campaign was in it's first week, when a protest group went to the city and complained. There was nothing offensive about the promotion; they were trying to help animals statistically less adopted, get adopted get out of a kill shelter alive. But because of the complaint, the promotion was canceled because the city did not want to go through the hassle of defending it. It was the pets in a crowded shelter that paid because a small group of people were offended. At some point, the easily offended start to wear down the cause.





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7/14/13 8:37 A

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Shirley, thanks for clarifying... I do not think we have an area here that would qualify as "inner city", although "the south" is the poor area and would, somehow, fit such definition. in St Petersen there is Central Ave, after which, all the street and Avenues are "south something". And No, I do not go there, and in case I get lost driving, I keep driving till I am out of there. It is not really a place someone non-black wants to be.

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7/14/13 12:45 A

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I curse something wicked when I am angry, 'tho not in public..but I never use racial slurs. That's just plain trashy.



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7/13/13 6:48 P

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William,inner cities are just that in the center and usually run down areas with drunks and dopers staggering around at 9AM.Primarily single Moms too.They usually have buildings to live in that are badly in need of repair.And are often wearing dirty ragged clothes.One Thanksgiving when I was off I volunteered to help serve a lovely Thanksgiving meal to the homeless.Someone forgot to order butter for the rolls.One bitter homeless man cursed us for that but another heard him and apologized to us.That is life in the inner city.We made jokes afterword every year and said whatever you do remember butter for the rolls. emoticon

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7/13/13 5:06 P

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Well, I do not know what inner cities is.. So, I do not know if I have spent any time there…
Val, my mother tongue does not have words with this kind of power. In fact, I think it is very curious that people allows those words to have power. I do not use them because I was taught I should not (and I understood why not), but I really do not feel the meaning of them. It is beyond me. It is way more offensive to me to be called ignorant (I am very proud of my level of education) than be called a Fa***t (this thing is also funny, with the star signs).
But I live here now and I have to learn the proper way of behaving, and I believe I have.
BTW, I curse like a sailor. Naturally, in Portuguese waaayyy better than in English, but I am working on it.


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7/13/13 4:20 P

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Pops, I can't say that I have eliminated curse words from m vocabulary. I just don't let them bother me when they are said to me. Very few actually offend me. The just don't have any power over me.

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7/13/13 4:08 P

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I don't know how much time any of you have spent in the inner cities, but when I've gone down there to distribute meals, I hear it all of the time - in spite of the fact that we are trying to help the homeless with meals, clothing, coats (in the winter) and medical assistance if they will take it.

That's Kansas City's "inner City" today. It is also Houston's Inner City as well as Dallas and Ft. Worth. It was that way in Los Angeles 20 years ago, and I've been told by fiends and relatives that it is still that way. "Gringo", when said in a disparaging way, is still a racial epithet.

If you have friends or acquaintances who are police persons and work in the inner city of their city, or if you know someone who works at the jail, or if you know a fireman who works in the inner city, you could ask them.

Personally, when I've seen a group of Hispanics facing a group of blacks or whites (or any combination thereof), racial epithets start flying to just get the old adrenalin going. The serious stuff follows.

4EVRYOUNG, you are to be congratulated. Growing up in a police environment and spending 8+ years in the Army have made it difficult to completely eliminate curse words and racial epithets from my language completely.

To some extent, Cherry, my wife, has civilized me a great deal, but personal confrontations fire up the much younger 'inner' fighter. The use of curse words or racial epithets in war or in a serious fight is to dehumanize your opponent and help one to justify his/her actions.

It's not the civilized way to communicate, but gangs are never civilized, nor are military opponents.

"I say, old chap, it is my contention that you are sub-human in your day to day interactions with your mother. It is my sincerely held belief that your Oedipus complex has overcome good breeding to the extreme", just doesn't have quite the power of calling someone a "M***** F******!!

I might blame my behavior on my blue collar upbringing. My Dad was a Policeman and my mother was an RN. Both were life long registered Democrats, so I guess that excuse won't fly very high.

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4EVRYOUNG Posts: 5,174
7/13/13 3:24 P

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I've learned that "words" only have power if you let them. Even so out of respect for people that certain words would only hurt or anger, I've eliminated them from my vocabulary.

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7/13/13 2:13 P

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When I got to the US I did speak English (in fact my English was better than it is now) but I did not know the nuances of the language. So I did say the N-word once. And the C-word also. But I had, at the time, a very nice manager, and she sat down with me and explained to me the words in English that are not to be said. Quite a list. But I am grateful that she explained it to me and this way prevent me of several unpleasant situations.

But I do hear, and quite often, Americans using the words that should not be said.

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7/13/13 1:54 P

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Honkie and Cracker I have only read those words in books about the south.I confess I heard the N word in the 2nd.or3rd.grade.Came home from school and said it and my mother asked me where I heard that word.I told her and she said never say that word again.They like to be called colored people.Somewhere along the line it went from that to black and then Africian American.I may insist on being called a German,Swedish and French American.Why can't we just say American? That's what we all are unless we havn't been naturalized yet. emoticon

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7/12/13 6:36 P

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Yes Val, they do.

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7/12/13 4:21 P

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Haven't personally heard honkie or cracker in decades..and my family and friends don't use the 'n' word, ever so I would cringe at any and all.

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4EVRYOUNG Posts: 5,174
7/12/13 10:58 A

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Do people still use the terms "honkie" and "cracker?"

I guess I'm not as culturally diverse as I thought. The only time I've ever heard those terms were on TV or in movies. And that was in the 70's.

I do hear the "N" word used often. I cringe when I do. If it's someone close to me I call them out. Otherwise I totally disregard any views that person has and walk away.

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7/11/13 11:15 P

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Not only No! But HECK NO!!!

Y'all can't take that side of the debate --------, it's unfair.

I believe the same as you all did. Something is wrong, wrong, wrong about that.

Oh well.

My youngest son asked me if "Honkie" or "Cracker" were considered racially charged words. I'm thinking yes, but then one of the witnesses admitted that she had used those words and SHE didn't think of them as racist. "They is what they is."

Growing up in the Southern States in the 50's and 60's and NOT using the N word signaled that you were "A N lover", a Jew (and I still shake my head about that) or a Communist.

Like y'all, I had no control over what my great grands said or did 200 years ago. Particularly because so many of my relatives were share croppers themselves. At least the ones that were already here and not still back in England, Ireland or Scotland.

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7/1/13 10:54 A

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Obviously the Network just wanted to get rid of her.Maybe they just thought she was an exspense to them.Did you know there is a large group boycotting the network now? They talk about it on Facebook where I go for local gossip.

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BRIDIE5 Posts: 8,121
7/1/13 10:35 A

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Duh indeed Myrea..of course she did. I am that age group (actually older..) and was shocked right out of my California socks when I moved to SO. Carolina in 1963 at the casual use of bigotry. Her antique utterances from long ago are the excuse, not the reason, like I said. Easily could have been spun differently by the network had they wanted to keep her. They clean up after people all the time.

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7/1/13 9:32 A

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She has built a tremendous business for herself, but she is still just a person. I lost a lot of respect for her with the diabetes revelation. It seemed like she was content to keep peddling her high fat, high carb lifestyle on TV as long as no one knew about her diabetes, but then a company offers her an endorsement deal for a diabetes treatment and THEN it's time to go public.

It's not that she developed type 2 diabetes that bothers me, nor that she chose not to go public about it right away - it's the timing of her announcement to coincide with the endorsement deal that makes me think that her choice was more about the bottom line than right and wrong, and so she dropped a bit in my eyes.

As for a White southern lady who is a product of the 1950s having used racist language and ideas at some point - well, DUH!

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6/30/13 7:46 P

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Bluntly? I think they must have wanted to dump her anyway, or they would have spun it differently and taken an entirely different road. She began losing popularity back when she hid her diabetes and continued featuring dishes that would kill us diabetic type twos for three years or so...until offered a contract with a drug company to be a spokesperson for diabetic medications. She is also very crude in her speech when she appears places in person, and not that nice to those helping her set up for appearances. We shouldn't assume we know people because we watch (or don't watch) their shows..or that the reason given by a networklis the real reason.. I think it comes down to dollars and cents like any business deal..and this may have been their excuse for breaking her contract. Meanwhil? I just can't get worked up about it..she's made a wonderful living for a couple decadess and her book is selling like wildfire.

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I agree 100% with Val on this one! emoticon

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6/30/13 3:33 P

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I've only heard bits and pieces. From what I have heard, she admitted to having used the N word.

She appears truly remorseful. This is a woman that has gone from being agoraphobic to living her life in the public eye.

I hope they give her another opportunity. I see daily second chances given to people that have done and said worse

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6/30/13 8:42 A

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What are your take on the Paula Deen controversy? I have some reserves regarding the thing, but I do know it has to do with cultural backgrounds (One? I can grasp the need for intensive public display of remorse). The thing seems to be growing week by week. what do you think guys?

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