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10/16/13 4:06 P

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"I am going to do something that will probably have the liberal members of this team swooning, or looking over their shoulders to see where the next shoe is going to drop."

Between these type of pronouncements (swooning??) and the elaborate word raptures, it's mind bending to glean anything of substance from Pop's posts.

And Pop's insistence on blasting out percentages of race concerning abortion rates are just so blatantly ridiculous. Seriously, is it so hard to figure out that if the numbers are actually higher for blacks it has more to do with poverty than anything else? There are a higher percentage of blacks than whites living in poverty. Access to birth control and education is limited by poverty. The more birth control is restricted, the more unintended pregnancies, the more unintended pregnancies, the more abortions.

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Why is this so hard for Pop's conservative mind to understand?



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Not up to me to judge another woman's choice, when I don't live the other woman's life. .

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Abortion should never be in this day and age.With all the BC available it's silly and selfish.Take your BC med or injection if you want no babies.Father's and Mothers talk to your children.Sexually active get them a shot or other med.Christian now but not always and I always hated abortion.When young dissolved friendshis a few times over it.Yes when I was young I was mean.That changed I forgive folks who have them now but still don't like it and William is right we can control no one else's life.I will always believe in life.Love it most days old as I am.

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Even if the stats show that abortion is used as a contraceptive method (a stupid one in my opinion) still is not my place to tell a woman she cannot have one. Naturally, for obvious reasons, pregnancy is not a concern for me or my partner, so I do believe it would be preposterous of me to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. And if my religious beliefs (which I do not have) were against abortion, it would not be my place to force such beliefs onto others.

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10/10/13 8:43 P

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Planned Parenthood Clinics can be most anywhere..college districts, small mostly white towns, transitional neighborhoods, barrios, downtown or in the suburbs. It's really not a ghetto thing, you know? Only 3% of their services have to do in any way with abortion. They are wonderful for providing birth control information, STD testing, physicals, breast exams and pap smears to low income and poor women. I'll have to check the pregnancy and abortion figures re ethnicity when they're available again. To present a total picture, one must also know how many unplanned pregnancies occur in each ethnic group as a whole, and how many young women in that ethnic group habitually employ BC, among other things. If fewer in a given group get pregnant, it follows that fewer will abort, for instance. I'm a firm believer in BC. I also pro choice, and firmly believe that a woman's healthcare is between her and her MD and is neither my business nor your business.

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Bridie5

Your claim, "Abortion has no ethnicity. It's only common "color" is desperation." doesn't stand up to scrutiny. With the government web sites closed down "due to sequester", It was hard to find hard numbers to show you. However, using sources such as BET and the Gutmacher Institute, I have compiled information to share with you.

Black women account for 41% of all abortions, even though African women make up only 13% of the population. Hispanics account for 20% of abortions, "others (Native Americans, Asiatics, Pacific Islanders, etc)" 20% and White 10% (I have to factor in that I couldn't access the CDC nor Census department), but the numbers were close at the sites I could access.

Considering just two races (white and black), the actual numbers are even more stark. White women (from the last reporting period) had averaged 138/1000 women and Black women averaged 501/1000 women.

Just another ding on my part, but 80% (+/-) of Planned Parenthood clinics are in ethnic neighborhoods.

For those "Pro-Choice" women who argue that they should have the right to control their bodies because of rape/incest (1% of All abortions), health of the mother (3% of total abortions), and health of the child (1% because of severe abnormalities or any other severe health issues). That totals just 5% of all abortions. It seems clear to me that 95% of the women didn't use birth control or insist their partner do so. It appears to me that their choice was to be overwhelmed by their own lust or an inability to say, "No, not without protection".

As far as I know, there are five avenues for women who want sexual intercourse (the "Pill", the Morning After pill, use of an IUD or an aspirin (held firmly between her knees) - which sometimes is called abstinence. With the exception of abstinence, none of the other choices protect from STD's. Men have one major protection against pregnancies and that is the condom - which also protects against STD's. I have heard of one other choice, the use of the "Man Pill". After 42 years with only one lady, we don't have to use 'protection' (because she had a radical hysterectomy in her late 30's). Maybe there is such a thing as a Man pill, but it wouldn't be any protection against STD's.

Men should take more responsibility, but don't (probably due to arrogance and stupidity.
Women bear the burden of an unplanned pregnancy, as they always have. I think that if one has a responsibility the should take the bull (no pun intended) by the horns (it just gets worse) and be sure the issue of an unplanned pregnancy is moot.

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10/9/13 12:01 P

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So many folk are all about theirselves.Being a good orator definetly gets you somewhere though.

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Popeye, I do not see why you thought I would be surprised. First, different from the conservatives, I do not think that everything said by a liberal 9or any person I admire or like) is always right. People, all people, here and there stick their foot in the mouth.

Second, I see the "reverend" as a clown and a media whore. He is, although a persona with influence, an idiot that has one only agenda: himself. What does not mean that here and there he cannot nail it.

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I see I'm not the only nurse here I see thirty five years as a nurse Mostly a charge nurse.Can you tell it? Thirty seven if you count school and working as an aide in the mean time. emoticon

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10/7/13 9:34 A

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Pop? This emotional child worked for over thirty years in the nursing profession. I have seen things you have only read about. Abortion has no ethnicity. It's only common "color" is desperation.

edited for my usual typos.

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Val, "No point". I ask a question that will sting if you find the answer, so you don't even try to go there. Maybe it's a good thing you don't want to face the truth about how two-faced many of your peers are.

Bridie, What does it have to do with ethnicity and abortion? If you can't figure out the answer to that yourself, you still live in your emotional child.

WillamLC, since you didn't look the quote up, the author is definitely going to surprise you. (It appears you thought the quote was from some hardcore, right-wing nut job - I can't help but to at least chuckle).



The face behind that very conservative (and Biblically correct) quote is the infamous flipper, the Reverend Jessie Jackson.

I wonder how much he made by prostituting his beliefs? His friend, the Republican Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would have most likely agreed with the quote. But how Jessie is now? Probably not so much.

Shirley, I too think that Human life matters very much. Yes, a baby is safely (usually) ensconced inside a females body. By ignoring the fact of it being a human, it's easy to ignore that it has any say - so it's just murdered.

You say that it is not capable of understanding? Then treat it like we do all men and women who can't legally understand what they did. After the child is born, and any 'parental rights' have been severed, let the child be educated until a licensed Psychiatrist of Psychologist can state that the child can understand the difference between life and death. My gut feeling tells me that 99.9% + would make the easy choice of life over death.

When someone decides to abort that developing human, in our country they have violated our country's Mission Statement - "We hold these truths to be self evident. That every man (and woman) has the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" (OK, I paraphrased it - sue me).

Now what are the three basic tenets of the pro-abortionists? A woman has the right of control of her body. In the case of incest or rape it is horrible to even think of the emotional harm and mental distress it could cause the mother. Do I have it right?

FYI, I asked this same question about the quote to a group of Conservatives. Each and every one of them thought the quote mirrored their thoughts perfectly. When I exposed the author, each and every one literally had their jaw hit the floor.

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I do think Hell on Earth is coming and in some areas like the middle East it HAS arrived.Human life is nothing.I for one think it matters very much. emoticon

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Well Popeye, you quote could apply to almost anything the right religious wing fights against. Where is their concern with the society we will be in 20 years?

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9/5/13 8:07 P

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No point.

If you would like to offer some of your unique wisdom, then do so.

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Didn't look it up, did you?

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9/5/13 6:41 P

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And that relates to your question on ethnicity and abortion exactly how...?

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Might surprise you.

This quote is pretty much on point about how I relate to abortion:

"What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person, and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually?

It is that question, the question of our attitude, our value system, and our mind-set with regard to the nature and worth of life itself that is the central question confronting mankind. Failure to answer that question affirmatively may leave us with a hell right here on earth."


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Does it matter?

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MYREALANA certainly got a burr under her saddle.

I'm going to do something that is normal for a Democrat, not so for a Republican. I'm going to play the race card and ask, "Can anyone tell me the ethnic mix for abortions vs the ethnic mix in the United States?"

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8/20/13 10:12 A

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Well,

Thankfully, your step daughter is wrong. There's nothing in universal healthcare that would prevent anyone from getting their needed medication - that's the whole defintion of "universal."

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Well SURPRISE I do support universal healthcare and I'm anti abortion.I do admiit I'm in the minority on that though.My step daughter told me this morning that when Universal healthcare goes through I as a senior will get no medication.Well I don't believe that.David will buy it for me if it were to happen but I don't believe it will.I do believe democrats care more for the poor.Everyone here knows I'm Independant and sometimes vote one way and sometimes another.What I really want is a viable 3rd.party but dream on.Right?

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I'd just like to point out once again, that if you are against abortion, you cannot logically be against universal healthcare. Anyone who thinks differently is nothing but an anti-sex, anti-choice hypocrit.

In Canada, where abortion is legal, available without a waiting period, and paid for by government healthcare, and employers are required to provide paid maternity leave, the abortion rate is 15.2 per thousand women.

In the US where a pregnant woman is shamed, left to pay all her own medical bills, and in many cases in danger of losing her job for having a baby, it's 20.8 per thousand.

You want to save pregnancies? Stop shaming women and making them bear the burdens of everything as if pregnancy were a fit punishment for having the audacity to have a sex drive. Stop punishing women and give them the support they need to bring a child into the world and raise it well.

When the anti-choice crowd starts fighting for THAT, then I'll listen to them. Until then, they better stay the F#%@ behind the lines with their sanctimonious, self-reighteousness.

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Shirley, I do not think that somebody on your age (the same way I think it is questionable when women on their 60s go under fertility treatments) should adopt kids, but this is my opinion.

Even with all the restrictions that keep folks from adopting, there are still enough people out there that could and do not do it. Just because talking is way easier than doing.

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William I would be happy to adopt 2 kids.At 78 what do you thing my chances are?! By the way I'm a widow too.Do you think that would double my chances? I live alone a couple of nice teens would be great.Rules in the US are too strict a lot of folk who would adopt aren't elgible. emoticon

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WOW! That was long. But yes, I read it. all of it.

First of all. I think amusing that hiding a fact changes the situation. So, since Millie's parents never knew about the pregnancy she did not let them down? I could go on, but I think this would be a completely different thread.

Second. I am happy that Millie had the luck on having you and your wife.

Third. Although very touching (and I am not being sarcastic) this situation is the "if game". If this, if that. I do think abortion is a woman's choice. And if Millie had got one you would have lost a fantastic son, but you would never know. Neither would he.

The fact is, for each kid that has the luck of find parents, there are tens (hundreds? Thousands?) that spend their lives in orphanages or foster house. or even worse, just on the streets.

I would love to see every single anti-abortion person to step up to the plate and adopt a kid.

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I am going to do something that will probably have the liberal members of this team swooning, or looking over their shoulders to see where the next shoe is going to drop.

I am opposed to PP for two reasons. The first is the reason it was founded in the first place - from the mouth of the founder herself.

The second is that a friend of my DW had a "Fun. Fun. Fun Worry, worry, worry", incident happen and the guy she was with turned out to be married and wanted nothing to do with her or her child. He offered her $10,000 if she would "leave and just take care of it. Whatever you have to do".

It wasn't so much she wanted to have an abortion, but as a sophomore in college the idea of having and raising a child totally overwhelmed her. She and my DW had long conversations about what her alternatives were, including adoption, etc.

It might surprise y'all that in my younger days I was a little abrupt in what I did and when it came to the circular, inclusive reasoning that women have, I just burst into the China shop and let crystal shatter.

My wife had firmed her thinking about having the child and putting it up for adoption. Of course, there was the question of how she was going to pay for the doctor and doctor visits, where could she go to keep as much humiliation from her family and have them feel she had let them down, and on and on.

In our private discussions, my DW told me she wished we could do something for her, and I agreed.

Unbeknownst to my DW, I contacted a cousin I had been close to. She and her husband lived in another state and had a Large house and property. She agreed to let a young mother-to-be come stay with her throughout her pregnancy, make sure she would follow up on doctor's visits, take her vitamins, arrange for her doctor visits and insure she made it to the hospital when delivery time came. Did I tell you I had been close to this cousin. For a long time, I thought she walked on water.

Cherry's friend came over to our apartment, and for the first time, I was there when she arrived and I didn't leave. Cherry, in my mind went around and around the subject at least 10 times before getting to the point.

We would pay her way to California, her room and board would be totally covered, all of her pregnancy related costs would be taken care of, and after the birth of her child, we would provide transportation back to Oklahoma. Forty years ago, people were able to find employment in a relatively short time, and she would get a job and could keep all of her earnings for herself.

Of course, there was another long, round and round discussion with my wife (I'm not making light of the way women seem to communicate - it's just in my linear male mind I can't imagine what takes so long to tell someone something and get a response) and everything boiled down to one question. Did we know how to arrange an adoption.

Cherry got back up on the merry-go-round, then looked at me. Assuming her name was Millie, which it isn't, I said, "Millie, don't worry about the babies adoption. You will know the child's adoptive parents and I can give both of them a very high recommendation. The babies Mom will be Cherry, and I will be the Dad. She squealed and, jumped up, clapped her hands together and promptly collapsed back on the couch, crying her eyes out.

At that point, I think I went to our kitchen and got a beer, or a soda, probably it was a beer.

Cherry explained how all the logistics would work, and reminded "Millie" that I was in the Army and we probably wouldn't be back to Oklahoma for six or more years. That if we were some distance away, we would keep her up-to-date on pictures and Cherry would write her a letter every couple of weeks.

As it turned out, we got a tremendous son out of a tough situation. Millie graduated from college with a degree in accounting, got her MS and CPA and moved to Dallas, met a fellow and got married. I was stationed in Germany at the time and there was no possibility of us coming back to the states for the wedding, even though we had received a nice invitation.

About a week after Cherry had mailed the RSVP, we got a call from the International Operator, letting us know we would be receiving an International Call within the next 15 minutes. The call came in and it was Millie. About 10 seconds into the call, the tears started to flow. I remembered we needed something from the commissary and hit the door, ran down the stairs and vaulted into my little green MGB. I don't remember what I got at the commissary, but I did remember to stop at the Class VI (liquor) store for a case of Stuttgarter Hofbreau (a terrific German beer, a couple of bottles of Sangria, some German Swartzacatz white wine (Black Cat) and some refills of scotch, bourbon, whiskey, rye, vodka and gin to have on hand for when my officers came by to "unofficially get briefed" on what was really going on in the division (being in the military is very similar to being in a large corporation. The people who are expected to get things done are never told why by the generals, we have to wait until one of the Generals Aides can pass on the reasons via Rumor Control Officers at every level and location).

When I returned home, I could tell something was up, but when I asked her what was wrong, she gave me the standard, "Oh, nothing". OK. She said "nothing". I know she is lying and that there is really something, but if I ask her what nothing is, something I won't like will happen for sure. Nothing will probably be something and I will be discouraged from sleeping in our bed over something that was really nothing at all.

"I got some Sangria! Why don't I fire up the grill and we have some steaks tonight (our oldest son, Eric, piped up and said, "Grillin'? Don't forget the hangmaburgers!)?

After dinner, clean-up, Eric's bath and bedtime story, Cherry went into the kitchen and brought out a couple of glasses of the wine I had just bought. Sitting down, she said, with a little hiccup said, "I talked to Millie tonight". Long quiet after my, "Yes"?
"She's never told David (the groom to be) about Eric." I muttered, "Ohh, that doesn't sound copacetic".

"She's also never told her sisters, or her brother, or her Mom - she'd never tell her Dad. . . . . . Not even her favorite Grandma knows. . . . . . And she asked me if we would keep her secret. . . . . . I said, . . .yes. . .(tears were flowing). . . I don't know if I fell bad for her . . . . . or for Eric . . . . . or if I'm just relieved and happy for us."

"I don't know exactly how you are feeling", I told her, "But I feel like a huge rock has just lifted off of my chest. Eric is our son. He's been our son since he was born. He was legally ours four days after he was born. Now, Millie's put bar on that door I could feel behind us, and it's been chained and closed shut permanently".

Ironically, Eric got married eight years ago, the same year that his mother died. We let him know a long time ago that he was our adopted son, that we got to pick him (sort of). Whenever he has been curious about his sperm and egg parents, we've told him as much as we know.

At his wedding ceremony, after all of the pre-marriage pictures had been shot and before he went to join the groomsmen, he stopped us, put his long arms around us both and said, "Mom, Dad (tears were in his eyes) . . . . . I've never told you how glad I am that you didn't let me be aborted, thank you".

He turned around and walked to the door where the Grooms Party were gathering and went in the door. Cherry and I wiped our tears away, clasped hands and went into the church to be seated and watch him get married.

Because they can't ask after they've been killed, I wonder how many other babies would have liked to have an opportunity to express their opinion?

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I wasn't aware we were discussing PP Pops..were we? That's fine..I would love to! Just so you know, I would rather have had my daughters receive education, instructions and birth control at PP without PP notifying me than that they be having sex without protection. And yes, I do have daughters, and now three granddaughters..and I haven't changed my mind one iota about that. As it happens, my daughters were open with me .Not all young people feel they be open with their parents, but that doesn't stop them from having sex anyway.. Whether for fear of the parents, for fear of disappointing their parents, or just plain feeling that it is their business and nobody else's many stay silent and unprotected. No child deserves disease or a blighted future that education or BC could have prevented. The "government" is not forcing these young people to have sex, get BC, or visit PP. PP is not even a government agency as you know. The "government" is not preventing families from instilling their own values and beliefs in their children. PP provides a big variety of necessary health services to those who want or need them and choose to visit PP...period. I owe PP a lot..they found my tumor over 35 years ago now when I was a divorced uninsured mother of four and using PP for my annual pap smears and health check ups. Because of them and early detection I am alive to tell about it, to have expanded my education, spent 30 years in the nursing profession, and to have raised my children to successful adulthood, including the child my present husband and I had when I remarried. I have lived long enough to know and enjoy my grandchildren. I am grateful.

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That's your side, and you are stuck with it.

I am positive that in four states, ranging from bankrupt, hard left wing liberal California, to hard right wing Conservative Texas, with conservative Oklahoma and sometimes conservative and sometimes liberal Missouri, that PP can provide birth protection to minor children and by "Law", that transaction is considered "protected information" and cannot be given to a parent or guardian without the minor child's consent.

They can't sign a contract, but birth control is available without a parent having the right to say no, or in many cases, "Hell NO".

Just another example of "our government" eliminating our rights.

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Pop, the government isn't providing the contraception or the sex ed..only insuring the availablity of both should an individual seek it. My DD2 is an RN..among the community based classes she offers in CPR, medication administration, etc, and her work as a school nurse and as an OB nurse at the local hospital, and in preparing kids for babysitting certification, in her capacity of school nurse at a public school she also teaches a course on Sex Ed. Prior to the course all parents are filled in on the curriculum in writing, and provide signed permission slips if they want their children to participate. Most do..those that don't want their kids to take the course don't give permission, and their children are not included in the classes. Oh, and BTW..no contraceptives are provided to the children..but the children are informed that such things exist, and are a responsible choice for preventing transmitted disease and pregnancy rather than having unprotected sex. The "government" isn't making anybody do anything. with their children , nor are the schools. Just to set the record straight. This is true pretty much across the board where sex ed classes are part of the curriculum in various States. It is not mandated that all kids must attend.

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William and Popeye are both right. emoticon

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As multiple cases have pointed out, minors CAN NOT enter into a contract and be held to the terms.

I'm not familiar enough with Family Law to know whether the parents can be made responsible for ensuring their children don'[t say a freaking word about fracking, but in any case, at the age of emancipation they could become an environmental lawyer and speak of it all they want.

However, with the government having the ability to provide contraception and training for its use to underage children without even discussing it with the parents, It's hard to believe that the parents can be held responsible at all (SARCASM).

Willam, I'm voting your way on this one. The oil company still must have a bunch of fracking information they don't want to get out. It would probably cost them some more freaking money.

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It is not uncommon in the US when a business (for instance) closes a plant to make the employees severance package dependent on them signing just such an agreement..most cases limited to themselves, however..children not included. Of course they will sign..they aren't going to have jobs, and desperately need their severance. Happened to a family member..

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Hmmm. Interesting and very concerning. First for the idea of imposing a gag order on kids (Who comes up with brilliant ideas like this one?). Second, why is a gag order needed if the procedure is harmless? Only people trying to hide stuff needs to keep silence about it… Or am I being too naïve? Third. Is it really possible to take away (so easily) somebody’s 1st amendment right?

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Two things.

One a qualifier. Our family business refurbishes oil field equipment. Fracks included

Two, anything can be agreed upon in a contract. Even so parents cannot limit or dictate the words of children once they reach the age of 17. If challenged legally that agreement would never hold up.

If that was the sticking point of the settlement then the parents aren't as altruistic as the lawsuit would indicate. And the defendant not as assured of the safety of fracking as the oil and gas industry would claim.

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OK,I confess I didn't read all of the article.From what you said freedom of speech is being denied them,I was wondering how children could do something like that.Things continue to go from bad to worse.There seems to be no stopping them. emoticon

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Children should "abstain from it."

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Um, children aren't participating in fracking.

I think you need to re-read. The court order prevents the children from TALKING about it for the rest of their lives. Not the settlement, mind you, which is a common condition of out-of-court settlements, but the company and fracking in general.

Basically, in order to get enough money to move away from the farm the gas company ruined through hydraulic fracturing, the parents had to sign away their children's 1st Amendment rights to discuss anything related to the issue forever. Period.

That means, if you were one of the people covered by this order, you would be in violation of the order just by posting on this thread.

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Alright,I just learned something new today.A question about safety though and I think in that case children should probably abstain from emoticon it.

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Fracking is hydraulic fracturing - a method for extracting natural gas and similar products from underground shale deposits.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_frac
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There is a lot of controversy. Some people saying it's perfectly safe:
www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/aug/06/
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Others disagree:
wilderness.org/blog/fracking-dangers
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I'm displaying my ignorance but this tired old lady doesn't know what fracking is.Thanks! emoticon

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www.theguardian.com/environment/2013
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"Two young children in Pennsylvania were banned from talking about fracking for the rest of their lives under a gag order imposed under a settlement reached by their parents with a leading oil and gas company."

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Yup. Range Resources Corp can legally go after a 7 and 10 year old for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES if they even so much as discuss fracking as an industry.

But there's nothing wrong with it, right? It's perfectly safe, healthy and good for the economy, and nothing bad can come of it.

Now, go about your business. Big Brother is watching.

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