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12/3/13 9:17 A

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Well Popeye, unless I have missed something, I haven't seen Muslims marching in Washington to defend the sanctity of matrimony, neither Muslims politicians passing laws to discriminate people. Maybe I am not watching the news close enough.

I live in the US and the problem here are Christians pushing their religion onto others. The day I move to Saudi Arabia, I will think of the Muslims.

and once again, the US is a Country created with separation of Church and State, so what Christians, Muslims or nay other religious group think, should be applied only to themselves. It is not a difficult concept.

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12/2/13 1:32 A

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Well, I stand corrected, coachpenney. And corrected, and corrected and corrected and corrected. Moreover, I feel bludgeoned.

Willam, you can't just focus on Christians. Check out the Qu'ran and the directions given by Allah. Islam, as the second largest religion in the world and is much harsher in its criticism and condemnation of homosexuals, Nor do they separate the

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11/29/13 3:35 P

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Will wonders never cease? emoticon



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11/29/13 7:40 A

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Why Miss Penny, do ye mean they're federally connected? OMG, they may even be part of the "well regulated militia" the 2nd amendment refers to!

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11/28/13 11:47 P

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Another link to a Federal court case that decided the following:

"Federal case law makes clear that state National Guard units act as federal agencies in matter concerning the employment of technicians. Indeed, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit has held, in a case related to this one, that in matter arising under the Statute, "the Guard is being sued in it's capacity as a federal agency."

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11/28/13 11:29 P

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For your reading pleasure pops.......


**********National Guard Fact Sheet
Army National Guard (FY2005)
{posted on 3 May 2006}
The Army National Guard (ARNG) is one of
the seven reserve components of the United
States armed forces. It is also the organized
militia of 54 separate entities: the 50 states,
the territories of Guam and the U.S. Virgin
Islands, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico,
and the District of Columbia.
Administered by the National Guard Bureau (a
joint bureau of the
departments of the
Army and Air Force), the ARNG has both a
federal and state mission. The dual mission,
a provision of the U.S. Constitution and the U.
S. Code of laws, results in each Soldier
holding membership in both the National Guard of
his or her state and in the U.S. Army
or the U.S. Air Force.***********************

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**************Question:

Is the national guard a state or federal agency?

Answer:

The National Guard has the distinction of serving both state and federal governments. The Guard's dual mission is to protect the lives and property of state citizens in times of emergency or disaster and to provide defense of the United States and its interests around the world.********************

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***********As a unique state-based military force (albeit largely funded by
the federal government and trained in accordance with federal
standards), the National Guard is the only military force shared by
the states and the federal government. It is a ready and reliable
force accessible to the states for both state and combined state
and federal purposes and to the federal government for federal
purposes.***********

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************Administered by the National Guard Bureau (a joint bureau of the departments of the Army and Air Force), the National Guard consists of both the Army National Guard (ARNG) and the Air National Guard (ANG). The National Guard has both a federal and state mission involving combat and non-combat army and air force units. Throughout its long history, Guard army units have been deployed overseas to fight in America’s wars, including the recent Global War on Terrorism (GWOT) campaign launched by the Bush administration. The National Guard is also charged with assisting state governments during times of natural disasters. However, some state National Guards have reportedly found themselves stretched too thin from overseas deployments of men and equipment to Iraq and Afghanistan, which has prevented Guard units from adequately responding to state emergencies.
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History:

The National Guard is the oldest component of the U.S. military. Before there was the National Guard, there were state or colonial militias. The guard’s lineage dates back to 1636 when the Massachusetts Bay Colony organized three militia regiments to defend against the growing threat of the Pequot Indians. Patterned after the English Militia systems, all males between 16 and 60 were obligated to own arms and take part in the defense of the community.

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11/28/13 7:42 A

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It is so beautiful how conservatives (yes, Popeye, you) phrase things so they sound normal and acceptable....

She is mixing her religious believes with the State Government, which btw, is against the country constitution, and she is using her bigotry to punish people.

Just the whole thing going on in this country with the Christians fighting to impose their believes onto others.

But, she will loose. It may take some time, but it will happen.

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11/28/13 1:44 A

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This is almost too "funny" to comment on.

There is nothing in the US. Constitution that allows the Federal Government any say at all in the lives of the citizens of the various states. Those rights are all defined as belonging to the states and the people. The Federal government has chosen to stick its bureaucratic nose where angels fear to tread, and it's starting to backfire.

The Oklahoma Governor is only acting in strict accordance with federal laws. If the Federal law "mandates" certain actions, it is a moral imperative that funds for that mandate come from the Federal government.

By paying close attention to the letter of the law and denying benefits to married heterosexual couples, she is being a strict constructionist of the Federal law.

The National Guard is not the Regular services and is not even the equivalent of the Army Reserve. The National Guard was established primarily for the protection of a state and the citizens of that state from tyranny by forces outside said state. The secondary reason for the Guards existance is to support the Army Reserves and the Active Army in times of National Emergency. The current administration wrote one of those little "memos to me" and had the members and units available for his use at any time.but with no promises that would apply to this.

Guard units train two days a month and get paid for four days for purpose of pay, and they drill 2 weeks in the summer.

I really wouldn't worry about the Oklahoma National Guard having problems meeting its recruitment quotas. The educational benefits are unmatched. If they go to approved schools and colleges in Oklahoma, they get In-state Tuition (of course), and if they have taken and satisfactorily passed high school Advanced classes, those classes are accepted for application to college level courses.

The way the liberal members of this team have reacted to the actions of this governor lead me to where I have to look more deeply into her background. I do know she's a Republican and a number of her constituents like her for her "tell it like it is" style. Oklahoma Democrats are mostly of the type that are called "Blue dog" Democrats and they like her "Harry Truman - The Buck Stops Here" ways.

I'm not sure if an Eastern liberal Democrat met Blue dog Democrat they would think the other was sane. "Blue Dogs" are usually much more conservative than eastern RINO's.

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11/23/13 8:30 A

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True Willam..the "we" that throws their weight around and tries to kill equality appears to be Christian, white, homophobic and male lately. Christian is fine..as long as it's not thrust on the whole country., and it doesn't get confused with the law of the land. White is fine..I am white myself, but consider it no better than brown, black, red, or yellow. Male is fine, if it's males like my husband who make no attempt to marginalize, control or subjugate women. Homophobic is never fine, unless it's limited to how they choose to live their own lives.. and it's always ignorant. Saddest part of all? They call others "elitist"..


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11/23/13 6:52 A

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I always thought that in the US it was "we the people", but so far "we" has very strict delimitations...

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11/22/13 9:32 P

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Equal but different is BS..equality all the way, or it doesn't fly with me!!!

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11/22/13 7:34 P

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I agree. It is easy for some people to ignore the denial of rights when it doesn't impact them personally.



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11/22/13 10:01 A

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Well, when I heard of that I thought it was brilliant! Let’s deny straight couples only one benefit (gay couples are denied over one thousand rights for not being able to get married) and see how that goes. Maybe, they can do just as any unmarried gay couple does and pay more for what they were getting as benefits.

And yes, I am been bitter, but it is going to be very interesting to see how this is going to play. After all, it is easy to be “equal but different” when one belongs to the “equal” side.


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11/21/13 5:01 P

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I hope some of the hetero couples fight this...not only for themselves, but for equality for all. I wonder how long it will take to put a dent in their recruitment numbers?



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The Okla Governor disgusts me. Many of the people who joined the National guard were probably seduced into it in part by the benefit package. Yep..let's call yourself a Christian and a good American Governor, then deprive people who might be deployed in service to our country of what they deserve and we're promised. IMHO it violates their rights and is a breech of contract..maybe even fraud, cuz it was a condition of employment. I am not a lawyer, but hope somebody will get a good one and take it to court.

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11/21/13 12:34 P

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In Houston the Mayor ordered spousal benefits paid to same-sex spouses that have been married in states that have passed same-sex marriage laws. The state's attorney general(who is also running for governor) has said they will challenge the Mayor's decision because he believes it's a violation of the state's law against same-sex marriages.

Now I'll remind you that "this is Texas" so regardless of whether the AG has a leg to stand on or if the Mayor is right, the case will propel the AG into the spotlight and bolster his chances at the next election.

I'll say again "this is Texas!"

Another biggie from Texas to the Supreme Court.

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thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/11/19/29
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"Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin (R) announced earlier this month that state-owned National Guard facilities will no longer allow any married couples to apply for spousal benefits, regardless of whether they are same-sex or opposite-sex. The Supreme Court’s decision overturning the Defense of Marriage Act means that servicemembers with same-sex spouses are now eligible for federal benefits. "
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