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Excellent!
One of the signs of high after meal glucose, is feeling really sleepy... like when normals stuff themselves at the Thanksgiving Feast! ha

From my understanding of it, women with PCOS have adequate insulin to shepherd glucose into cells... in some cases they actually have more... but the cell is resistant to taking in glucose, despite the plenty! Metformin does something to make the cells more sensitive to the insuliin you do have.

That's why Metaformin doesn't work with Type 1 Diabetes.
Those unfortunates don't secrete enough insulin, or in the latter stages of diabetesdon't have any at all bc their beta cells ( the cells that make insulin) have been destroyed by the autoimmune procoess. Thank goodness that's no your problem!!!!

Metaformin does deplete some, not all , people of B12.
I wanted to know how that happens and my research revealed that in some people, Metaformin binds to the pariental cells that secrete intrinsic factor in the stomach. We need intrinsic factor to absorb B12 from the digestive track.

The cure is not just to take more B12 being as if will just pass thru the digestive track since there's too little or no intrinsic factor to absorb it. It seems as though calcium supplementation, or mabbe even taking your B12 with a calcium rich food, will help with absorption.

So its not as simple as taking B12 orally.
You need calcium for that to happen, or a B12 injection.
The injection of B12 bypasses the whole absorption issue.
IF you have low B12 to begin with.

Here's that link:
care.diabetesjournals.org/content/23
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It's only been a couple days back on it but I do feel a lot better, especially after meals. Maybe some of it is the placebo effect, but hey.

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If you have high glucose, or high after meal glucose spikes, it can really cause a lot of problems with your eyes, skin, arteries etc. The glycation high sugar cases can prematurely age one.

Definitely not something to play around with, in my opinion.

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I have hypothyroidism and PCOS and was recommended to take metformin. I haven't been taking it just because I keep on forgetting to, but after looking back on my test results, maybe I should start up again. Thanks for this wake up call!

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Tee

That's terrific!
Yes fasting glucose of 82 and Hb1Ac of 5 is just terrific... your numbers look great!

You don't need a HB1ac with those numbers, but if you feel you are at high risk for diabetes you can always buy a meter and do your own glucose testing.

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I do not have diabetes since switching to Armour. My fasting glucose was 82 and A1C was 5. My doctor had her assistant phone lab with new codes that will cover paying for A1C since Addison and taking cortisol makes me high risk for diabetes. I follow high protein/low carb diet.

Here is article about magnesium that might interest members:

www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400753/Best-
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I take magnesium citrate in addition to multivitamin.

I am off to house/pet sit and wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving.

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HI Ladies!

Tee~
How are you treating your diabetes?
Did you find a Hb1ac test at your local Walmart, drugstore, or online?

It sounds to me like you have a cluster of symptomsI've read about known as Autoimmune Polyglandular Syndrome. Being as you have diabetes, thyroid disease and Addison's.

Has your doctor made any mention of that?

Here's something about it that you might find helpful:

www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p667.html

As for the Armour, its not terribly pricey.
Some things in life, its easier just to pay out of pocket and skip all the annoying paperwork, wringing of hands and accounting the insurance company puts ya thru.

Here's a sample of Armour prices at different stores:

www.goodrx.com/armour-thyroid

I mean seriously a month's supply of the stuff cost about as much as a pizza or a nite at the movies... treat yourself and call it a day!

Cat
Good to see you are checking out a variety of ways to take your meds that work with your lifestyle.

Its usually recommended that we take our thyroid hormone replacement in the morning, for most people, our stomachs are empty, it can become an established routine before we start the day, leave the house, etc.
And take it with a full 8 oz glass of water so that it reaches the middle part of the intestine (jejunum).... so it doesn't get caught up in the stomach. You want it out of the stomach, bc it can't be absorbed there.
Then to wait 30 minutes to let the jejunum absorb it, before you send food down. Food generally doesn't leave the stomach right away, either, unless its water. The stomach has to dissolve it, and churn it up, its like a washing machine in there! So that buys more time for the jejunum to absorb your meddie, AND why you want to take it with water.

Its all about the FLOW! ha

But if that's not working for you, you can certainly try a different way, as long as the "rules of absorption" are followed which is empty stomach, same time each day (to mimic your circadian rhythms), wait 30min to an hour.

Me I take some before bed under my tongue and then with water before I rise.

I've heard some people say that they get tired or sleep after they take thyroid hormone.
That's prolly bc you're waking up to take it and going back for more snooze.
So you condition your body to become sleepy at that stimulus.

With sublingual absorption, I still think its a good idea to wait 30 minutes to an hour, AFTER your pill has dissolved... with no rinsing of the mouth or brushing of the teeth, ETC. Why? BC absorption takes time. Its not instantaneous.

Hope everyone is having a super day.
Its amazing outside, which is were i am heading.

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PS don't forget the title of this mail, insulin resistance, ie high blood sugar, can be another factor that's keeping you from losing weight... in addition to doing a lot of really nasty things to your body other than keeping you fat.

If you want to do something about that, I'd say try some Gynostemma tea.
Its not a miracle cure, you can't be chugging down milk shakes and fast food and think its going to help you.

But if you're "doing everything right", it may. Here's a link, scroll down to "Pharmaceutical Research":


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Bummer! I do take my Armour upon arising ... I mean I open my eyes and then take my pill with water I always keep on my night stand. Then I get out of the bed. I wait 30-60 minutes before eating. During that "wait" time I walk on my treadmill. This made a huge difference for me.

I also read that here. Through the years I have found that the patient seems to know more than the docs. That's why this forum and Mzz have been an eye opener.

Take care.

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I had trouble with drug ins covering Armour. My doctor has to complete form every Dec for them to approve for a year. Pharmacist from ins co phoned me last year. She insisted I take synthetic. I told her no since taking synthetic caused me to develop diabetes, etc. Ins co insists I need to switch to synthetic when I turned 65, which was this year. So, I don't know if they will approve Armour this year. I checked with Sam's club and Armour is not that expensive if ins won't cover.

I messed myself up taking Armour sublingually. Test indicated I was extremely hypo. NP questioned whether I was taking medication. The result was NP switching me from Armour to Levoxyl, which messed me up for over a year.

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Other than a couple of years ... I have been on Armour. What ever brand name you want to call them ... the synthetics didn't help with my debilitation fatigue.

My docs have always worked with me on the Armour ... it's the insurance company that got in the way for a while.

I read here on this forum about taking the 'new" Armour sublingually ... I have not tried it though.

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Congratulations on the weight loss Cat. I gained a lot of weight when my doc discontinued Armour. I also become diabetic on levoxyl. I begged her to put me on levoxyl with a small amount of Armour like previous doctor, which worked, but she wouldn't. She said either levoxyl or Armour. So, I picked Armour, but the reformulated type does not work like the original. I eat clean and exercise 4 days a week and can't lose.

I had terrible leg and head pain on 120 mg of Armour. Doc decreased it to 90 mg every other day. No pain the first day I took 90.

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HI Guys!

I think you all should try Gynostemma.

I buy the loose herb from Rose Mountain herbs and make a big pot of tea with it, drink it all day, especially 20 minutes or so before meals.

There are other vendors, but my local Asian market and Rose Mountain is where I bought mine. I don't work for Rose Mountain, I don't receive compensation.

It fills me up, it tastes good, it keeps my postprandial (after meal) levels lower as well as my fasting glucose.

I couldn't lose before using it bc my glucose levels were constantly elevated.
Vinegar before meals worked for a time, but after a while, I think my body just put out more digestive enzymes.

Not everything is thyroid related... I read about so many people concerned about their thyroid numbers pretty much at the exclusion of everything else.. but thyroid's only one part of the equation. Granted a huge part of the equation, but there are other things that can trip you up, too!

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Dang, your numbers look great. I take Armour as well. My doc wanted me to lower my dosage coz I was hyper using 120mg also 0.6.

I have lost 50 pounds and have 70+ more to go. I know that I have not been dedicated to exercising and eating clean since June. That's why I haven't lost more and that is why I posted that we have to do our part.

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Cat,

Love your post about your cells being deaf. lol Mine are hibernating.

I was diagnosed with metabolic syndrome, insulin resistance, high cholesterol, etc. before tests showed I have Addison. Since I started taking Addison medication the ms, ir and hc left, but I still can't lose weight. My fasting glucose is 82 and A1C is 5. I participated in 21 day Spark challenge and lost/gained the same three lbs over and over again.

I just returned from endo appointment. My test results were:

TSH 0.61 (0.40-4.50)

Free T 4 1.3 (0.8-1.8)

Free T 3 - 4.7 (2.3-4.2)

Doc said I am hyper with too much T-3 which is common for patients that take Armour. I have muscle pain, tired, and started falling asleep in her office. She lowered Armour dose two days a week and increased daily Addison medication since these levels are low. I lost weight and felt great this summer when Addison medication resulted in normal thyroid levels.


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My cells are “deaf”!!!!!

Meds are sometimes needed ... just remember we need to do our part by eating clean healthy foods and moving our body. I am talking to ... me as well.



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Hi Mzz,

I have insulin resistance,metabolic syndrome, ugh! I've had it forever. I'm tired of fighting to loose weight and not getting anywhere. I want a medication to help me. There's a new one on the market that lowers your glucose. Mine is always over 100. A1C is 5.2 though. What do you think?

Thanks!

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You may have insulin resistance a condition that precedes type 2 diabetes.


Here's how this goes:
Your doc will tell you to lose weight... like you have a mirror already!
You do everything "right".
You eat healthy foods in the proper amount.
You exercise.
You get adequate sleep.
You reduce stress in your life thru a variety of methods.
You step on the scale... and you're another two pounds heavier.

Why?

Bc its possible you have Insulin Resistance.

What does that mean?
It means that cells all over your body have become "deaf" to insulin.
Insulin is our body's way of letting glucose and nutrients into our cells after meals. Glucose... blood sugar... needs to be kept under 120, or it starts causing tissue damage... fat accumulation is the least of it. In response your pancreas ( your insulin factory), keeps pumping out insulin, exhausting itself trying to get glucose out of your blood and into your cells.

Next thing you know, your doctor is talking about Type 2 diabetes and medication to control it.

Unless of course you can lose weight and modify your diet and lifestyle.
Which you've already done yet continued to gain.

Does this sound like you?
If so read on!



Check your BMI. If you've been overweight by your BMI standards, then you have a greater tendency to have this problem that will keep you holding onto your fat.

Don't know what a BMI is?
Here's a link to the formula:

www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational
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Just plug in your numbers, the page will do the math for ya! ( I like when that happens)

Measure your belly. If you tend to collect fat around your belly, if your waistline is pushing 36 inches, that's another indicator.

Do you experience "food comas"?
Especially after a meal that's high in carbs.

If so...
Then I would suggest you:
1. Get a fasting glucose number.
This test is usually run with a metabolic panel when you go for your yearly check up. If your numbers are in the 90s or higher, read on.

2. Get an Hb1ac (something you may have to ask for, not done unless your fasting glucose is over 100. And even then they may not run it" because your numbers aren't bad enough"... O don't get me started!).

If your fasting glucose test results are over 90, than you definitely want to ask your doctor for a Hb1ac. Many doctors don't give this test until your fasting glucose is in the triple digits, when damage has already occurred.

The Hb1ac t measures how much sugar has been "glycated" ie permanently attached to your red blood cells... which indicates how well your blood glucose is controlled for the last 2-3 months.

For the record, glycation is NOT a good thing.
It causes all sorts of problems, blurry vision, cataracts, hardening of the arteries, undesirable skin changes, poor circulation (feet falling asleep, no hair on lower legs), neuropathy (tingling limbs).
You want you Hb1ac to be under 5.7.

If you want to skip the doctor visit and test it on your own, you can purchase these tests online or at your local Walmart in most states. You will, however, be required to prick your finger with a pre-loaded lancet and drip your blood onto a blotter.
You will have your results back in less than 2 weeks with most tests.

So if you're doing everything right, not losing, and are outside your BMI range, your waist line is expanding, you experience food comas after meals... my advice is to get the fasting glucose as well as Hb1ac test run.

BC Insulin Resistance might be your problem.

If it is, then there's things that can help, that don't require medication.
My last blog addresses one of them.
www.sparkpeople.com/mypage_public_jo
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