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emoticon thread here....::I enjoyed reading your observations! Thanks for sharing - so glad I found this team! For me, when I truly "learn" something, I feel empowered and move on to other lessons. I have gleaned much today from observing your posts and seeing my own journey upon reflection.

If I mentally place food at arms length, and treat it as 1# fuel, then 2# pleasure, I find myself embracing a healthy relationship. I do love food. Lol....and for that reason, I must make it a habit to be mindful of how I treat it. Once this healthy relationship is established, I feel empowered and my emotional connection with food is lessened greatly...which is a relief! Lol.



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Honestly, I never promise anyone that she will lose weight with the No S Diet, though many people do. I chose it because I saw that it was a good way to feed myself in a sane, reasonable way so that I couldn't fool myself into thinking I needed the random food I had such a strong habit of eating, in small and very big quantities. My weight came off in fits and starts over a couple of years as my weekends fell in line with my weekdays. In fact, as time went on, I would sometimes eat even less often on weekends.

My suggestion is to think in terms of weaning yourself off extra food over time, not in terms of trying to lose weight. Weaning means you don't try to change everything at once. Eat plenty at meals and don't try to make your meals too "perfect." You can change the ratio of dense to light foods on your plate as time goes on.

Let's go step by step!



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I am new to this group and interested in this thread fighting fake hunger and the no S diet.
I have gained five pounds in the last few weeks while at a wedding and vacationing and I need to get back into focused eating.
I have 25 lbs more to lose. I would like anymore information or tips you can give me to lead me in the right direction.

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Hi LaLa,

On the No S Diet, would my healthy snacks of a fruit or yogurt mid morning and a protein and veg mid afternoon be considered a no no?

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I've been using the No S Diet for four years and now it is really the norm that I do not snack on any solid food on weekdays. I do drink cafe au lait or mocha (decaf or not) between meals as I wish. Just not giving myself the choice cut down on all the 'will I? won't I" dickering. And I love my meals so much more! It's the way the French and Italians ate (most still do) until American snacking invaded in the last few years. And their average weights have been creeping up.

It took a LOT longer to learn to ignore fake hunger on weekends, and sometimes I don't. It is not my life's goal never to eat emotionally or for celebrations, etc. nor to eat a certain amount to weight a certain amount. I may lose more, but it will be because of a lower appetite and increased movement. I have not had a regular exercise program yet!

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
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Oolala, thank you! You are one of the first people who has told me that they have been able to face the fake hunger beast head on. Everyone tells me that they can control it but it never really goes away. I am that point...I control it, but it is there and like the Great Gazoo in the Flintstones, trying to tempt me. I KNOW that I am not hungry but I am thinking about food. This mainly happens when I am bored. So, I control it for now. I know that if I did eat, it would be the grazing sort of thing, a bit of this or a bit of that but all of those bits add up, especially over time. I always keep healthy snacks handy for those times when I am REALLY hungry, but seriously, I am NEVER REALLY hungry. Mostly I am too full so these food urges are really nonsense...maybe that is what I need to keep telling myself. It is NONSENSE!

Ticia, I have a few things that I stay away from. For example, I don't like chocolate very much for some reason I absolutely LOVE brownies. If I baked them, I would eat the whole batch by myself in a very short time frame, maybe like an hour. So I just don't have them in the house. If I am in a place where there are brownies being served, I allow myself just one. I don't have too many trigger foods, but another one that I do have is butter. I really can't explain my obsession with butter but that is something that I must keep in the house. I try not to use it much but when I do get it out, TROUBLE! I love to eat just plain butter off a spoon. I can't seem to control myself. For social gatherings I have finally come to realize that most of the time the food at those things isn't even that great. I try to eat a healthy nutritious meal right before I go and that seems to help me. I then will try tiny bites of two or three of the things that look like they might actually be very tasty. It seems to work for me but I know that social events are very difficult.

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1/12/14 6:27 A

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Hi guys. I enjoyed reading your comments. Lots of interesting points. I obviously have a long way to go before I am at maintenance but I decided to begin to develop the mindset now.

Habit vs vigilance is definitely intriguing. That discussion has reminded me of my "addiction" to sugar, my trigger foods, Stress and my unresolved emotional issues. I believe all of these things lend to my overeating. I believe I currently have my sugar consumption under control and I am now able to have a little bit occasionally. When it comes to trigger foods I have identified those ones that get me in trouble because I don't stop until they are all gone. I simply stay away from those until I can figure out how to have them and not jeapordize my weight-loss.

After attending a wedding reception yesterday, I am beginning to think I need to put social gatherings on my list in its own category. Why is it I end up indulging when someone places food in front of me and everyone around me is enjoying it?

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Gloria, I heartily affirm that you CAN say no to food when those fake hunger urges come up. I knew for years that stress at work and in personal relating associated to my eating, but could never find very satisfying ways to soothe myself. Finally, I started reading that it was suggested just to face down the urges no matter what, even if I couldn't solve the problem of the moment. I might be able to take steps to make things better or not, but it became clear that eating wasn't helping and that NOT eating would do less damage than eating. But the brain pattern doesn't easily give up. So what? It really doesn't hurt anything to just go through the cycle of urge. Eventually, the urge goes away, and in the future, urges get either much more manageable or simply go away. They can be going away even while we binge sometimes!

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/groups_i
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1/11/14 10:18 P

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Good observation Deborah! It is good to look within like that, I think that so many of us don't. I know that my food obsessions seem to happen when I am bored, which is often at work or when I am studying. I let my mind wander and I start to think about food. I know that I am not hungry but I want to eat. I know that until I figure out how to overcome this, I am going to struggle.

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1/10/14 10:54 P

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Currently my food obsession only happens around my cycle...ladies you know what I am talking about and recently through prayers and introspections I realized I was eating out of wanting companionship and not physical hunger.

God is careful with me, he has promised a hope and future.


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When we concentrate on the pleasure gained from habits, it becomes easier to maintain them. If people constantly feel that they are giving something up, rather than gaining something, it can be a constant struggle.

I've never liked the term sabotage. I see too many people using it against themselves. It often just increases the sense of guilt, which rarely actually works to stop people overeating. In fact, for most bingers, guilt is a kind of unconscious penance that allows the behavior to be repeated!

I spend years examining the emotional reasons I ate. It never stopped me and I found I often couldn't fix the situations that were troubling me, at least not before I could get food! So I felt justified in eating.

I just determined that there were only a few good reasons to eat most days, and have mostly stuck to those. Then I don't dicker over can I, can't I.

I have also greatly cut down on the amount and number of manufactured foods, but that was as they become less pleasing to me than better quality. I'm still not a purist. I feel just about anything can be balanced with a good quantity of freggies and telling myself the truth about how I feel later.

Seven years of maintaining a 20% weightloss and counting.
*To seek happiness, identifying the Self with the body, is like trying to cross a river on the back of a crocodile." Ramana Maharshi
*The No S Diet saved me from my emotional eating defeats.
8 years and counting! nosdiet.com/
*Get to the next meal hungry!
www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/groups_i
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11/14/13 9:56 P

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I am obsessed with food, I think about it all the time, but it's food, not eating. I have mentally expanded the definition to include planning, preparation, cooking, plating and serving, THEN the eating. It's all part of the same obsession, and chopping and cooking is as pleasurable as eating. I can indulge my obsession without overeating. If I am seized with the desire for pizza, I have to start the dough the day before, so it requires thought and postponement, but I know I will get my slice. My rule is that I have to cook it to eat it. I don't eat between meals (another rule) but I can shop for food, read recipe books, all I want. When I am in a real funk, I'll pick recipes that take 4 hours to make. It all makes for a glorious anticipation, which is part of gratification. The discipline became the habit became the enjoyment. I want more gratification than just eating can give me. I LOVE food!! If I opened a package or let a restaurant cook for me, all I'd have is the eating, and I'd need to eat more to compensate for the loss of the rest of the involvement with the food I eat. I don't care if I am hungry or not. I eat my planned portion of food I have planned and prepared three times a day and love every minute of it.

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I totally agree with the idea of habit versus discipline. I have developed the habits, but do I have the discipline to continue them? So far so good but I have to tell myself so often that I am not hungry. I try not to deny myself a taste every now and then but so often I find myself NOT hungry and thinking of food - thinking that I want it. I have gained and lost so many times and I am determined that this will be the last time. But in the past, I have not had the discipline to stick with the healthier habits and so I gained. And from talking to those who have done maintenance for longer than I ever have, I fear that this is going to be a forever problem.

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That was very good! I drink water or take a walk and distract myself also. I am so happy it worked for you. Linda from bean town emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

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I was a bit confused about the original post, but re-reading the title leads me to think about how in my own life, I give myself "permission" to use food in very stressful times in a way. I am not sure how to organize my thoughts on this, but I almost never actually overeat any more "by accident" ? This past week I have denied myself food several times because I was not physically hungry. This is going on because I am not keeping the Spark journal of my nutrition, although I am keeping a photo and text journal on my phone to record what I am eating.
Back to emotional sabotage. I think what V is saying is that some people might seek an "excuse" to overeat ? in the same way that an alcoholic friend of mine will often excuse her behavior by saying "_______ made me so upset I couldn't handle....." Is that right? I know I have gone there a lot. Last week, focus being on hunger since I didn't have the ever so reassuring calorie count to stay within, I told myself "no" to several things, even once or twice telling myself "if I feel hungry in 20 minutes I will eat that" The distraction worked 100%.

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Thanks for your input, Nell. I like the distinction between habit and discipline. I give credit to having healthy habits, but those actions still require thought most of the time. I still have to be vigilant. When food is presented, I still have to go through the "to eat or not to eat" scenario in my mind. It helps me to remember: this is not my last opportunity to taste this food.

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I read that book when it first came out, and it kind of blends in my mind with Salt Sugar Fat by Michael Moss, and the books by Michael Pollan. I think it was The End of Overeating where the author said that people who are successful with weight control or abstinence from alcohol or quitting smoking or controlling spending (all related behaviors) rely on discipline rather than constantly looking for motivation. Discipline creates habits, but they aren't the same thing. Habit implies action without thought, discipline involves vigilance, something we all think we should grow beyond. I still have to say No to myself many times a day, but I no longer feel deprived over it because I know how fleeting the desire is if I just move on. I don't care how engineered a food is to grab my desire, anymore than I care how much I'd just LOVE to buy that sofa or that pair of shoes. The answer is No and I move on to the next thing. There is always a next thing.

I'll have to re-read the book to remember which one it is.

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How to deal with Emotional Eating. Every one is different so how they deal with the disease is different too. Like being quick to anger and counting to ten to calm yourself. You can also find ways to change the emotional eating. I feel hunger after eating lunch at noon at 3 p.m. I do not eat then but drink water and walk the dogs. Keep busy so I do not eat and only eat again at 5:30 or 6:00 p.m. What ever you have learned to deal with emotions you can learn to deal with them in a different way. Linda from bean town

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I don't think I am understanding what you are saying exactly.

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This is something that has occured to me as I'm reading The End of Overeating. He may wind up going here, but I don't think he will because he stays firmly in the science and has steered around words like addiction. Emotional eating has only been mentioned once. And I think it's right because it's not the case that eating is like drug use. Drug use capitalizes on the reward pathways nature established for eating (and reproduction).

But I think that when we eat to escape pain, pain becomes part of the landscape of the emotional eating cycle. So we may deliberately put ourselves in the way of pain.

P.S. He does link the distress of resisting temptation to the cycle in the next chapter. But I'm talking about the contributions of news media, procrastination, passive aggression, and other artificial stressors as well.

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