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9/10/19 7:24 P

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Whoops, made an update in the wrong thread. Moving it to my project thread.

But anyway, as far as the program goes, I really lost track of it without the check-ins from the writing portion. Not sure what I think of that :-\

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4/3/19 2:32 P

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Huh, so they're considering closing the forums until next year's write phase. I guess them being silent toward the end of last year is a common thing :)

I didn't really participate there too often, though I did do my check-ins until I finished, so I won't notice much of a difference, to be honest. I'm going to have to pay more attention to the time table on my own now, though. At least the check-ins kept it in the front of my mind.

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3/25/19 6:32 P

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I've been skipping check-ins since I finished. Not much point in reporting that I'm done and waiting *lol*

I'm going to have to pay attention and see if they have tips for the "Finish" month. I forgot to read back to last year to see how that's supposed to be used...

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2/19/19 11:52 A

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I am managing to get at least one check in done a week. Some weeks getting both in. I ended up starting over again with a different story idea. The first one just wasn't coming to me. The new idea is flowing nicely. I am pretty far behind on word counts for the challenge, but I am happy that I am at least able to write words down almost every day. The words will add up as long as I keep chipping away. I am enjoying the more laid back time table of this challenge WAY more than NaNo. Even though I am behind, it still feels doable over the long run...as long as I don't procrastinate. :-P


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1/16/19 11:33 A

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@OLDFASHIONEDGRL The only way I remember is by leaving the tab open where I see it every day XD

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1/15/19 12:17 P

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@BDGWILSON Thanks for reminding me I'm supposed to be checking in on the forums. I have been updating my word count but forgot to check in. :-/

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1/15/19 11:40 A

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I've been doing the check-ins on the forums, but for some reasons a Monday and Friday schedule seems weird to me. Oh well :)

I should look around the rest of the forums, though, given they're likely active again.

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1/8/19 7:02 P

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Yay! I'm glad it finally worked, at least, even though that's super frustrating.

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1/4/19 11:47 A

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I was finally able to update my profile and make some entries to my account. Glad to know it wasn't me doing something wrong. emoticon

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That is a good question. Hrm.

I think my brain had automatically split it so anything specifically about process (the timetable and such) I'd post here, but anything about the specifics of the story (plot, character, etc.) I'd post in my project thread, along with completion updates.

But that might be too complicated and involve many clicks *LOL*

What would be easiest for everyone?

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12/17/18 2:10 P

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ooh. That's a good question.

I'm working with a different system so I'm only here to see what you guys are doing. I'd like a place where we could check in no matter which system we're using. If we do updates within our project threads, we have to click multiple times to check on everybody. Hmm.

Is there need for ANOTHER thread? Damn this stuff gets complicated.

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Just wondering, do you want to post updates here or would it be better to post them to our project threads?

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12/13/18 2:03 P

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I am really trying to focus on getting some plotting done, but my personality is getting in the way. It is well known in my family that I am the "Completely uninterested or obsessed" type of person. And right now I am obsessing on my 2019 game plan. Writing is definitely part of that game plan, but I am not that far down the list yet.
I did start a new Scrivener binder for my 85K90 story today, so that is something. I think I am going to try to work my way through the Snowflake plan... partially... in preparation for this novel. I haven't made up my mind 100% about that though.

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12/11/18 3:07 P

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I threw my schedule off this weekend, for no particular reason. End result is that I did no plotting the last two days.

So, I need to change that tonight, and also sort out my schedule issues.

I had more rambling about that here, but then the connection to SP didn't load when I hit post and going back lost the original message, so I think I'm just going to skip it *lol*

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12/7/18 2:40 P

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Right. My own habits are coming back to haunt me here :P

So, when I'm writing, I will often forget the names of minor characters or little used locations. Since I don't like interrupting my flow, I leave placeholders like [Name] in the places where this goes.

Now that I'm reading back through, I'm trying to find the names of a few of these characters. Problem is, I cannot find where the names were originally mentioned.

Hrm.

There's one more place I can look for a few of them, but I may wind up making new names. Then if I find the old one I can pick whichever I like better *lol*

Also, I forgot A LOT of the names while I was writing this draft. So many placeholders.

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12/6/18 12:11 P

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@OLDFASHIONEDGRL I'm looking froward to your story introduction, when you're ready :D

I decided to pick up StoryPlanner, since it was about $15 CAD with the NaNo discount.

So far, it's a pretty straight-forward and basic tool.

I'm going through my old draft and was trying to do all the characters, then all the locations, and so on, since that's how it's broken down in the interface, but I think I'm going to switch that up since it isn't working.

Instead, I think I'll go through the old draft and create updated scene cards for anything I want to keep. While I'm doing that I'll add any characters and locations I don't yet have on the list. That way, by the time I'm through the review of the old draft, I should have all the pieces in place and I can shift the scenes around to get the new structure.

I'll try that for a week and see how it goes :)

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12/4/18 2:22 P

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I am also going to be using December to do some not really plotting but imagining. My focus is going to be on "what if" and "why". I have a lot of questions to ask in regards to my story idea and that is how I want to start this out. Just figuring out the world and what is going on. I'll do a story introduction too, soon. I'm not quite ready for that yet.

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I was going to start a thread per phase of this thing, but nah. I think I'll just keep it going here :D

So!

DECEMBER: PLOT
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In the 85K90 list, December is one of their "finish" months. Since I didn't join last year, I'm going to use it as a plotting month.

I'm a planster, so I expect I won't need the entire month, but I've already written a draft of this one, which means I know the storyline needs some refactoring. This seems like a good time to do it.

It's also well-timed, as I want to try out some of the NaNo sponsors.

There's a new one this year, a program called Story Planner ( www.storyplannerapp.com ). It's got a free trial, so my first 15 planning days will be trying that out. If I like it, I'll pick up a license.

Yesterday I started moving my characters into the program. I'm going to try and go through and identify all the minor as well as major characters, so I have them all in one place for a change.

This is where my impatience starts to settle in, so we'll see how it goes!

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11/28/18 1:17 P

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@OLDFASHIONEDGRL Thank you!

I'm still trying to puzzle out what I think will be most helpful. I might try out a few things in December and January and then reassess.

I think, personally, having a place when I have to come in an fess up if my schedule is slipping could be helpful. I'm terrible at sticking to deadlines I give myself. So even just having a place to declare those deadlines would be useful.

I might also want it to be too expansive to be helpful *LOL* I figure as much or as little detail as people find it motivating to give would be best. Like, I'll need to give a deadline, because that's where my issue area is, but I wouldn't necessarily need to give nitty gritty unless a deadline slipped and I needed to explain why.

/ponders

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11/28/18 12:41 P

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@BDGWILSON Let me know what you are thinking as far as setting up the 85K90. I'll offer thoughts if I can and help too for getting a usable system set up for us. I'm just not real sure what we are wanting to keep track of I guess I need a bit better idea of what we are wanting to do here as opposed to what we read on the site. Just a place to update our progress as we have it? do we want to go into more detail? Do we want to start a whole new area for threads for our writing updated and each of us can start our own threads? Not sure how detailed you are thinking of going...

Anyway, let me know what I can do. I don't want you to feel like you have to do this all yourself.

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11/28/18 12:47 A

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@RENAEPARANORMAL

First: Huh. It didn't, unfortunately :(

I think I had that thing with the menu not popping up a little while ago, but it appears to have gone away for me. (It gave me one when I tagged you.) Hopefully it's temporary for you, too.

Second: Sure! I'm not so sure the 45% goal is working for people. (I personally am terrible at it) so this would be a good time for a refresh for a lot of reason :)

Third: Yay! That sounds good. I might add a pre-85K thread in December, so I remember to plot that project, and try to sort out what else I'm doing.

I think this is going to be fun!

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11/27/18 3:19 P

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@BDGWILSON

First question:
Did this trigger a personal mention notification to you for the @BDGWILSON I just typed? I'm not getting the drop-down selector that I used to get when I started typing a team member's name after an @ sign. (I did get pinged for the mention you made in the response below.)

Second Question:
Shall I do the re-start for December? I need to review what you've been doing. A quick check-in with each other re: the next iteration of team goals might be in order. Maybe a fresh thread called something like "How should we set up Winter 2018-19?"

Third question, or rather, comment:
I'll go over what you you wrote below and figure out how to set up the thread/threads for my seasonal approach. (I plan to be resuming it with Winter's beginning anyway.) Maybe I can come up with a better name than "that way I try to do things" :D

I read with interest the thread between you and @OLDFASHIONEDGRL about the 85K90 program. I will go poke around there today.

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11/27/18 12:36 P

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Hmm, almost time for me to pop my head up after NaNo and look at this again *lol*

I've got a thread running for other tools people use that we might be able to tie-in: www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/
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But of course, it all starts on the boards :D

So here's what I'm thinking so far:

- A thread for each "phase" or the project-types. So maybe one thread for each of @RENAEPARANORMAL 's seasons, one thread for the 85K90's writing, editing, etc. This spreads things out a little, but would keep everything from getting too long. I figure in the 85K90 threads I'll post links to the blog posts, other things that might tie in (for example, if I find cool things by other people following the program.

- Threads for individual projects, maybe? What do you all think about that? I generally don't talk too my about my WIPs, but it might be good to have a place for roadblocks, inspirations, just general working things out.

- Group check-in thread. I don't know if this overlaps with the challenge check-ins, too much, but I'd think a check-in schedule would be good, at least for myself. I tend to meander if I'm left to my own devices. I'd rather have the check-ins in one place, even if we're all working on different programs.

I know SparkPeople doesn't have hashtag support, but I might use them in the subject headings, as I can then get my email program to handle making sure I see updates when new threads and replies are posted XD

Currently thinking:
#85K90
#Seasonal
#NameProjectID (for example #BDProject1 or #BDProject2)

That's as far as I got :P




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@RENAEPARANORMAL That is impressive! I'm going to have to chart it out :D

@OLDFASHIONEDGRL Okay, let's do this! I'll see if I can find a way to make it work :D

Because I also forget about such commitments :P

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@RENAEPARANORMAL wow, that is a very intensive schedule. I hope you can get it to work for you. It would definitely be productive.

@BDGWILSON If we tried to make the program work, I would be willing to give it a try. We'll have to set up a system of check-ins for ourselves so that I don't just conveniently forget I committed to something. :-P

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A while ago I started a big long response to this concept, then Hubs closed the window on the unfinished note and it all went away.

What I planned to say was that I have a somewhat similar plan designed, which is based on the seasons. It comes out of a quote from Stephen King:

“I believe the first draft of a book — even a long one — should take no more than three months…Any longer and — for me, at least — the story begins to take on an odd foreign feel, like a dispatch from the Romanian Department of Public Affairs, or something broadcast on high-band shortwave during a period of severe sunspot activity.”

This resonates with me. I do begin to lose track of early events, and start to feel disconnected, when a project stretches out over many months or years.

Once I decided to work with the draft-in-a-season concept, I quickly realized that I needed to figure out how to make time for things other than 1st drafting -- things like plotting, revising (2nd drafting), and editing (3rd drafting.) I also wanted something that would help me move from one project to the next in an intuitive way - something that my body and mind could learn and accept as a good pattern.

A seasonal system was born. (I'll show you in a minute.) It's important for me to note that I have thus far COMPLETELY FAILED to follow through with the plan. I think, though, that's on ME, not on some fatal flaw of the plan itself, which was DESIGNED to be challenging but also gentle and easy to internalize.

The plan would result in two completed first drafts and two finished novels in approximately a year, but the system works over a two-year cycle. One down-side that I think many would have trouble with is that each November is set up to be a plotting month, rather than a drafting month, which screws up NaNoWriMo. (Though, in a way, the output from a true NaNo could really be considered a form of pre-writing.)

First, it's important to agree that the seasons don't exactly match with the calendar year.
Winter = December, January, February
Spring = March , April, May
Summer = June, July, August
Autumn = September, October, November

Second, this system is easiest to jump into if you already have a couple of drafts laying around -- one in a rough stage, and one in a semi-polished stage. (There is a structured way to start from nothing, but I don't think any of us need to worry about that.)

Assume that your first / rough draft stage novel is titled B.
And the older, more polished novel is titled A.

Here's what the system looks like, starting from December 1st, the beginning of winter.

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DURING THE WINTERS = drafting new work (1st book draft in a year)

2018-2019 Dec - Feb = drafting a brand new novel, titled C, from start to finish. (1st draft, rough draft)

Dec. = to approx 28,000 words
Jan. = to approx. 55,000 words
Feb. = to THE END (ending at about 80,000 words)

On Feb. 28th, Novel C is set aside to cool.

DURING THE SPRINGS = doing "housekeeping"

Mar - May = 2/3 revising/editing older projects & 1/3 plotting a new project

Mar. = revising first draft of Novel B for one intensive month (to complete 2nd draft)
Apr. = revising second draft of Novel A for one intensive month (to complete 3rd draft)
May = plotting / planning / pre-writing for Novel D

NOTE: by the end of spring, Novel A should be ready for next publishing step (querying, submitting, line-editing, etc.) It is functionally "done". (1st polished novel of the year.)

SUMMERS = drafting new work (2nd book draft in a year)

Jun - Jul = drafting a brand new novel, titled D, from start to finish. (1st draft, rough draft)

Jun. = to approx 28,000 words
Jul. = to approx. 55,000 words
Aug. = to THE END (ending at about 80,000 words)

On Aug. 31st, Novel D is set aside to cool.

DURING THE AUTUMNS = doing "housekeeping" again

Sep. - Nov. = 2/3 revising/editing older projects & 1/3 plotting a new project

Sep. = revising first draft of Novel C for one intensive month (to complete 2nd draft)
Oct. = revising second draft of Novel B for one intensive month (to complete 3rd draft)
Nov. = plotting / planning / pre-writing for Novel E

Novel B should be ready for next publishing step (querying, submitting, line-editing, etc.) It is functionally "done". (2nd polished novel of the year)
----------------------------------------

That's a full seasonal cycle. In that time two brand new rough drafts have been completed. Two novels have been edited to finished state.

Each book, from birth to launch, (over the course of 2 years) has received 6 months of focused attention, as follows: Plotting (1) Drafting (3) Revising (1) Polishing (1).

In simple form, it looks like this into the future:

2018
Dec = 1st draft book C to 28,000
2019
Jan = 1st draft book C to 55,000
Feb = 1st draft book C to THE END, approx. 80,000 (cools until Sep 2019)
Mar = 2nd draft book B -- (rests/cools until Oct 2019. Beta reading here?)
Apr = 3rd / final draft book A -- (book "done")
May = plot book D
Jun = 1st draft book D to 28,000
Jul = 1st draft book D to 55,000
Aug = 1st draft book D to THE END, approx. 80,000 (cools until Mar 2020)
Sep = 2nd draft book C -- (rests/cools until Apr 2020. Beta reading here?)
Oct = 3rd / final draft book B (book "done")
Nov = plot book E
Dec = 1st draft book E to 28,000
2020
Jan = 1st draft book E to 55,000
Feb = 1st draft book E to THE END, approx. 80,000 (cools until Sep 2020)
Mar = 2nd draft book D -- (rests/cools until Oct 2020. Beta reading here?)
Apr = 3rd / final draft book C (book “done”)
May = plot book F
Jun = 1st draft book F to 28,000
Jul = 1st draft book F to 55,000
Aug = 1st draft book F to THE END, approx. 80,000 (cools until Mar 2021)
Sep = 2nd draft book E -- (rests/cools until Apr 2021. Beta reading here?)
Oct = 3rd / final draft D (book “done”)
Nov = plot book G
Dec = 1st draft book G to 28,000
2021
Jan = 1st draft book G to 55,000
Feb = 1st draft book G to THE END, approx. 80,000 (cools until Sep 2021)
Mar = 2nd draft book F -- (rests/cools until Oct 2021. Beta reading here?)
Apr = 3rd / final draft book E (book “done”)
… and so on.

In ULTRA-SIMPLE form, it’s just this:
May & Nov = plotting
Jun – Aug = drafting
Dec – Feb = drafting
Mar & Sep = revising to 2nd draft
Apr & Oct = revising to final draft

I'm going to hit post now, then go take another look at the original program that this thread is about, to see how similar it is really.

Edited by: RENAEPARANORMAL at: 11/12/2018 (16:44)
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11/12/18 12:28 P

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:(

That sucks. I don't know what's going on. Sorry, Jamie.

Hmm, I think all the posts they give that help out are public, and the basic timeframes are as well. What do you say about just running it here and not worrying about their site? After all, we both use our own spreadsheets and things already :)

It'd be nice to have a wider group, but if the forums appear to quiet down part way through the year anyway. If there's anything they send to members that's useful, I can always pass it on, since my account appears to be working.

Really, I'm in it for the projects and the deadlines. If those would be helpful to you to, let's just do our own thing :)

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11/12/18 11:41 A

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So... this site is just not working for me. I can't do anything. I can't add a profile picture, can't add profile information, can't add a post. All I can do is see my account and the main page. I think I'm going to have to bow out of this one.
@BDGWILSON I don't know what the problem is. I followed the link you gave and it just took me to the main page.

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Don't know if this will help or now, but here's the link I have for editing (though you'd have to replace it with your own username):

https://85k90.com/user-2/USERNAME/?profi
letab=main&um_action=edit

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Strange. I get on there and can't change my photo and when I click on edit profile, it doesn't take me anywhere. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but no matter what I click on, it doesn't take me anywhere that gives me the ability to edit profile. I'll keep trying.

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I was able to get on and could update my profile. Looks like we'll need a different account for project tracking, since they use a different tool for that.

The forums are a ghost town right now, though *lol* I expect there will be people near the start of the year again next year, though it might taper off as the day progresses.

Anyway, @OLDFASHIONEDGRL, what are you seeing when you try to edit your profile?

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Waiting on a password reset email.

... If all else fails, I expect we can run it here using the basic plan and the archive or articles from the last two years. (Assuming the site stays up ^_^)

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... I did not log into anything last night, d'oh!

Tonight :)

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10/15/18 4:41 P

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Huh.

Now that I think about it, I haven't bothered to log on in a bit, since I wasn't going to be doing anything until next year. (I don't think my "a bit" is 7 months, but I can't swear to it...)

I'll check when I get home today and see if I'm having issues now, too :)

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10/15/18 3:56 P

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So, I went and checked out the website and set up a log in. The site is not working at all. I cant update profile. And, no one has been in the forums for at least seven months. Am I looking at the wrong thing? It's kind of weird.

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Yay! :D

I like that this has such a clear timeline for the whole thing.

Although, this reminds me, I was supposed to be plotting this thing... I still have two months at least *LOL* Besides, I need to sort my NaNo first :)

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This sounds very doable. I might give it a go with you. At the very least, if you do check in here, I'll hang around to "help" you out. ;-) I do think it might be good for me to have a challenge like this for a fully completed project. I would really like to get something to the publish phase, even if it is only self-published.

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10/2/18 2:49 P

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Last year, some time in the first few months, I found the 85K90 challenge after seeing people talking about it on a forum.

85k90.com/

It is a year long writing challenge with the intention of having a completed manuscript at the end. (They say 85K but I expect any length could be written in the 3-month writing phase.)

They have the entire year broken down into phases, starting with writing, then editing, and then publishing, with last being publishing efforts, regardless of whether they're toward submitting to publishers or to self-publish.



I have a project I need to rewrite, one I think will benefit from a longer turn-around time than I tend to try. I'm going to put it through the 85K90 paces next year and see what I think of it.

Which I supposed means I should add a planning phase, starting now *lol* For some reason I thought that was part of the actual challenge, oh well.

Posting here in case anyone else is interested in trying this. Regardless, I think I'll use it as an update thread, as I think I'd get benefit from checking in as I go :)

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