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Did the truth about Mr. Gardiner’s involvement with Mary Ella surprise you? If not, at what point did you begin to suspect it?

I suspected it. Pretty girl, maybe "simple", she's the only one who gets the extras. Seemed like something was likely going on. I didn't expect him to be the father though and I wish more of that had been at least discussed, even if nothing could be done to prove it.

Charlotte gives Jane a lot of reasons for why the Eugenics Sterilization Program is a good thing for both individuals and society. What are the reasons she gives and what were your reactions to them?

New England has a history of this too. The Abenaki were targeted. I have to confess there are times when I think it should be used. We have a local case going on. Two year old returned to her mother and it appears she abused her to the point of killing her. She has a bunch of other kids. That said, I think it's a slippery slope and should only be used in extreme situations if at all. Situations change and deciding someone's fate forever at the age of 10 in some cases, seems far reaching.



Jane picks up on a lot of subtle but important details about the Harts during the extra time she spends with them. What key pieces of information does she glean from these interactions that she doesn’t get from her formal interviews?

People are more comfortable and tend to drop their guard when they don't feel as though they are under a microscope.

At one point Ivy observes that, “It was like the whole world was moving forward, taking Henry Allen with it, while I was holding still.” How are the lives and actions of the various female characters influenced or restricted by their role in society as women?

As unfair as it can be now, it kills me how unfair it was for women back then. My mom was a teacher and making the money to pay a mortgage, but her name wasn't allowed on the deed to the house when my parents bought it. I know my mom had to deal with stuff all the time. Her generation dealt with so much more. The choices were limited, especially if you didn't have money. She wasn't poor, but financing her education was imperative to her. Without money and with little education, that has to be what it feels like - everyone else is moving forward with their dreams and your stuck on a path that looks a lot like a hamster wheel.

How did you feel about the way the different characters lives turned out, as revealed by Ivy at the end of the story?

I thought it was a little too wonderful, but I also needed that to be the ending.

What do you think you would have done if you were in Jane’s position? Would you have put Baby William in foster care sooner, or not at all? Would you have told Mary Ella about her sterilization? Would you have gone as far as hiding Ivy in your home?

I probably would have taken him out sooner. I called social services on a situation when I was just a teenager. But I also know I couldn't be a social worker. I still occasionally have nightmares that the baby I called about. The what ifs. I also wouldn't have told Mary Ella about the sterilization, at least not the way it was done. Too soon, not enough support in place. And I wouldn't have had the guts to hide Ivy. I'd desperately want to do something, but I don't think I could do that.

How do racial prejudices play a role in different people’s assumptions, including Jane’s, about what is happening between the residents at the Gardiner’s farm?

The people with the most power and control get to choose the narrative. It still happens. You here people calling others "uppity blacks", meaning trouble makers when usually it's because they are trying to change the system to something more fair.



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JPISME; Wonderful questions. Yes social workers can be in impossible situations where there are no good answers. Child welfare is an extremely stressful job.

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1. Did the truth about Mr. Gardiner’s involvement with Mary Ella surprise you? If not, at what point did you begin to suspect it?

2. Charlotte gives Jane a lot of reasons for why the Eugenics Sterilization Program is a good thing for both individuals and society. What are the reasons she gives and what were your reactions to them?

3. Various people throughout the story tell Jane that she is too emotionally invested in her clients, and Fred refers to her as “a loose cannon”. Have you ever been in a situation where you had to balance emotional investment with professionalism?

4. Jane picks up on a lot of subtle but important details about the Harts during the extra time she spends with them. What key pieces of information does she glean from these interactions that she doesn’t get from her formal interviews?

5. At one point Ivy observes that, “It was like the whole world was moving forward, taking Henry Allen with it, while I was holding still.” How are the lives and actions of the various female characters influenced or restricted by their role in society as women?

6. Jane knows Lois for a short time, but it is a time when Jane most needs a friend, and Lois has a profound effect on her. Has there been someone who was only in your life briefly, but had a big impact on you?

7. How much of a role do you think the loss of Jane’s sister played in her determination to help Ivy?

8. Jane’s mother tells her, “Sometimes coloring outside the lines can cost you. Only you can figure out if it’s worth it.” Can you think of a situation from your own life to which this applies? Did coloring outside the lines cost you, and was it worth it?

9. How did you feel about the way the different characters lives turned out, as revealed by Ivy at the end of the story?

10. What do you think you would have done if you were in Jane’s position? Would you have put Baby William in foster care sooner, or not at all? Would you have told Mary Ella about her sterilization? Would you have gone as far as hiding Ivy in your home?

11. What would you have done in Ivy’s position? Would you have gone with Jane? Would you have taken a different path?

12. Jane realizes that whether or not a person is perceived as intelligent has a lot to do with whether or not he/she is in a familiar environment. What examples of this do we see?

13. How do racial prejudices play a role in different people’s assumptions, including Jane’s, about what is happening between the residents at the Gardiner’s farm?

14. Ivy realizes that she and Jane have more in common than she ever imagined. What are some similarities between them?

15. The social services system as depicted in this novel displays a hierarchy of power that trickles all the way from Jane’s boss, Fred, through the different levels in the office and the different people on the Gardiner’s farm all the way down to Baby William. What different levels of power do we see, and how are people at each level restricted in the power they have over their own actions and the actions of others?

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