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11/4/20 1:50 A

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Great question and discussion. I wondered that myself after getting notifications to celebrate someoneís maintenance and then seeing that they had regained more than a few pounds. The stats show that maintaining weight loss is not easy. See me in a year to see how I do, as I only just got here. Be kind. This journey requires encouragement, and as Sparkies, thatís what we need to do.
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Great question and great discussion!

Forgive me if this particular link has already been referenced:

www.sparkpeople.com/mypage_p
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It's another blog from Anja (4A-HEALTHY-BMI) the initiator of the team's weight maintenance challenges. I inherited them in late summer 2015 along with BAPEARMAN, thinking Anja would be returning to run them in short order. But, here we are nearly 5 years later and BAPEARMAN & I continue to organize and run them.

It seems based on my own experience (which is far more limited than many other members among this team that have been at this for decades!) and observation that ones maintenance experience is unique and as Barb (ONEKIDSMOM) mentioned earlier, there are many definitions.

There was a particular turn of words by Anja that I loved and have kept a part of each maintenance challenge: You do not need to be a "perfect" maintainer to join these challenges. Anyone who wants accountability from a maintenance perspective is welcome to join, no matter whether you're trying to hold onto a plateau or you're sliding and want to prevent further regain. Plenty of people use it as motivation to help get themselves back down into their "happy range." People also use these challenges to try out a new goal range (either higher or lower). The point here is to help you figure out what your maintenance means to you.

For me, the key in that paragraph is "The point here is to help you figure out what your maintenance means to you."

I have a number of health challenges that have a bearing on my weight. I declared maintenance in June 2014. So, it's coming up on 6 years. Have I managed to maintain within a +/- 3.0% range? Uh, no! Does that make me a maintenance failure? Some may consider it a failure on my part. And, honestly, others' opinions of my maintenance efforts are none of my business.

Getting back to Anja's words: The point here is to help ME figure our what maintenance means to ME.

And, I think I'm doing GREAT!

I have a longstanding hypothyroid condition and many food allergies / intolerances / sensitivities that can have profound impacts upon my weight. Within the past year I've also been diagnosed with 2 rare complex chronic conditions of unknown cause with no known treatments.

My focus has been on my health. And, doing my best to listen to and respond appropriately to guidance shared by the body. I trust the wisdom of my body. The weight is simply a data point that may or may not be helpful in guiding me in my journey toward health and well-being.

In recent months I've ridden the wave of an upward trend that is 13+ lbs. higher than the basement and continuing to climb. I do not feel well. My body is inflamed. There are clear signs of inflammation and fluid retention present. And, despite that 13+ lb. gain, I remain underweight. That's right. I said, "underweight".

I was obese when my journey began in June 2013. By January 2015, my body had entered underweight territory. And, outside of inflammatory flares has remained in that territory until recently. Within the past 2 weeks I've seen scale weights within a normal BMI which by some measures would be a good thing.

But, I know that is not good. I am not healthy. Am I focused on the weight? No. The weight is simply an indicator of underlying inflammation and associated water retention tied into the present health challenge.

My focus is my health and the weight is going to be what the weight is going to be. My physician of 30 years was NEVER concerned about my low BMI. She was however concerned when the inexplicable weight gain ensued and she even asked me: "What's going on? You're gaining weight."

We ended up running tests because of the weight gain and discovered that my thyroid function is seriously out of whack. She did not ignore the weight gain simply because I was underweight.

My apologies for such a long-winded response. And, feel free to SparkMail me privately anytime, GRACEINAZ!





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4/23/20 2:16 A

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This was a great discussion. I'm new to maintenance--although after reading this I could have considered myself in maintenance for a lot longer depending on which definition is used. Several years ago I lost 34 pounds, and was still overweight but then gained it all back and then some. It took me 4 years but I've lost all of that and more (72 pounds) and I feel great. I am not sure yet which definition will be "the one" for me. I suspect, as you have said, it matters less about the numbers but how I feel. In my head, I believe for me to feel like I am maintaining, I need a normal BMI and to be within that +/-3% range. That is almost a 10 pound range and I think that is a reasonable range that I can maintain. Time will tell.

Edited by: SUSEEE at: 7/18/2020 (21:23)
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4/9/20 9:29 A

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Agreed, Donna. When vocal infliction is absent, the true intent and meaning behind someone's words can be greatly obscured.

I always try to read in the most positive light, giving the benefit of the doubt.

Also, you never know what's going on in someone's life. Nell's been through a LOT (so, so, so, so much) lately and may have just been trying to quickly churn out a helpful response and then go on about her business.

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4/8/20 6:19 P

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When you cannot see a persons face or their eyes you are the one who puts the tone in the message, we need to remember this....

I think this was a great question with many different perspectives on the subject...

Donna from Surrey, BC, Canada
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From my friend Besshale.....maintenance is as much work as losing but we get to do it in cuter clothes.


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4/8/20 3:01 P

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I agree with OneKidsMom- Asking questions is good, but one must keep in mind that people respond with different "tones", and that doesn't mean they are being critical, harsh, flippant, etc. Much has to do with how the response is read.

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4/8/20 1:07 P

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Nope, it shouldn't hurt to ask a question. But we should be prepared to get varying responses, coming from varying viewpoints. Don't think of the responses as criticism of the question We can only speak for ourselves, from our own experience, strength or hope.

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4/8/20 12:54 P

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It is a hard item to define. There are so many individual factors to take into account... like BMI (body mass index). One of us just wants to get off 50 lbs, another wants to lose 10... one has a certain weight in mind, while others are striving to reach their ideal weight for height/frame.

But guidelines are just that... guidelines... and I am not afraid to use them as a general guide. This is not about judgment... and questions shouldn't be judged either. Is it naive to still believe that "it shouldn't hurt to ask a question".

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4/8/20 12:36 P

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I seem to remember (years ago, when I first entered maintenance) that there was a big discussion here about what maintenance WAS, and what we discovered is that nobody really knows. There are varying definitions. Most have to do with how long a weight loss is kept off. Some give a specific weight of regain (5 pounds, 10 pounds), some give a percentage.

Bottom line, for me, is that I have tossed the definitions out the window. I am maintaining my health. And slowly, I am maintaining my way back to a healthy BMI.

- Barb (Nebraska - US CDT i.e. UTC - 6)

Defeat is temporary: giving up makes it permanent! Never give up!

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4/8/20 11:51 A

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These are older links (some of them link to each other, and all link back to this group); however, if anyone is aware of more exact guidelines for defining successful weight maintenance, please share them.

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Edited by: GRACEINAZ at: 4/8/2020 (11:52)
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4/8/20 12:06 A

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No, I wasn't speaking of the challenges.

After some more digging, I found the information buried in a post in another forum in this group.

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4/7/20 3:56 P

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That percentage is only for the challenges, not the group. You can reset your goal with each challenge, every 8 weeks or so, up or down as you choose.

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4/7/20 3:24 P

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Nell Jones, that was a bit harsh. I had a legitimate question concerning weight maintenance. No worries, I do not need you or anyone else to tell me how I'm doing on this journey. HOWEVER, this group has an online chart that tracks members (who want to be on it) and their weight loss, and years maintained. I get an annual reminder from someone in this group. I did believe at one time they stated there was a certain percentage, or maybe it was simply half the initial weight loss that was still considered maintenance.

Thanks to the rest of you for your feedback and input.

Edited by: GRACEINAZ at: 4/7/2020 (15:24)
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4/6/20 6:17 P

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You are right Nancy Anne thst we will move up and down a little all the time.


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I'm with Nell. Maintenance is staying in a range where you feel confident.

Also, keep in mind that gaining and losing a little is part of maintaining.

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You are so right Nell. I know when I lost my initial weight I went too low and for me it was not maintainable. I didnít look healthy either. So now if I stay within a few pounds of a certain weight I am happy with the way I feel. You can feel it in your clothes and donít need the scale to tell you.

Donna from Surrey, BC, Canada
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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an art, but a habit. - Aristotle

It's only when you have the courage to step off the ledge that you'll realize you've had wings all along. Gail Lynne Goodwin
From my friend Besshale.....maintenance is as much work as losing but we get to do it in cuter clothes.


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Maintaining what goal? You get to choose your weight, there are no weight police. If you gained weight and like life at the higher weight, then what's the problem? It isn't the weight that's important, it's whether or not it's the weight you want to be. As long as you don't base that desire on a magic number (there isn't one), you can pick whatever weight you want to maintain, for whatever reason you want. You are free!

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I consider myself still as managing my goal as well. My goal weight is 135 and in the last 5 years I’ve went up and down between 132 and 139

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I think it has already. You are a fashionista!! Haha

Donna from Surrey, BC, Canada
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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an art, but a habit. - Aristotle

It's only when you have the courage to step off the ledge that you'll realize you've had wings all along. Gail Lynne Goodwin
From my friend Besshale.....maintenance is as much work as losing but we get to do it in cuter clothes.


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Thank you! Think it will catch on?

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By the way Barb I love the picture. Itís Corona couture!!! Haha

Donna from Surrey, BC, Canada
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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an art, but a habit. - Aristotle

It's only when you have the courage to step off the ledge that you'll realize you've had wings all along. Gail Lynne Goodwin
From my friend Besshale.....maintenance is as much work as losing but we get to do it in cuter clothes.


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I have the feeling that for all of us who have bounced back "up" from a "bottom weight"... each of us has our own answer. I went from 225 all the way down to 115 (racing weight), and then post-injury, post-retirement, have regained back up into the 150's.

From a personal perspective, I still consider myself maintaining, as I haven't given up the fight. But it's more a matter of mind-set. I am not depriving and striving to reach a specific number on the scale. I AM trying to eat to optimize my immune system (go figure, in the middle of a pandemic). I am trying to maintain my health!

I expect you'll get a different answer from every person!

- Barb (Nebraska - US CDT i.e. UTC - 6)

Defeat is temporary: giving up makes it permanent! Never give up!

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This is a great question and I will be interested in the replies. I have inched up 4.8 lbs and I sure donít want to see any more gain. I do still consider myself maintaining.

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Donna from Surrey, BC, Canada
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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an art, but a habit. - Aristotle

It's only when you have the courage to step off the ledge that you'll realize you've had wings all along. Gail Lynne Goodwin
From my friend Besshale.....maintenance is as much work as losing but we get to do it in cuter clothes.


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I reached my goal 10 yrs ago... went from 178 to 125 (although my goal was 129). I stayed under 135 for about 3 yrs, then regained and was in the 140-150 range most of these last 5 years. This past week I finally got back under 140.

At what point of a weight gain was I no longer in maintenance? Is there a certain percentage that is used?

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