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12/1/10 7:23 P

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I began with Neal Barnard, then McDougall, and added Fuhrman. I eat whole grains, but have reduced the amount I eat. I like Fuhrman's idea to use nutrient dense starchy vegetables when you want starch--I like sweet potatoes, acorn squash, lima beans, peas, and corn.

I think it is true that you can lose more weight if you minimize the whole grain consumption. Fuhrman argues for restricting whole grain consumption because it is less nutrient dense.

I really like John McDougall's lectures, too, and his Star McDougallers are impressive, like 55walker!

Edited by: BURRITAELITA at: 12/1/2010 (19:24)
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Nutrition is the prescription.

You can literally stretch your lifespan by shrinking your waistline.

Nutrition and other lifestyle factors that you can choose are a more significant determinant of your health than genetics.

Filling your stomach with high-nutrient foods is like by-pass surgery without the surgery.

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12/1/10 12:12 P

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I agree with the poster that said Dr. McDougall's plan wasn't for the carb sensitive which, unfortunately, I am, although I'm kind of disappointed with the numbers I just got back for my cholesterol and triglycerides on ETL. It's amazing that I can live for almost 40 years without animal products and still have lousy numbers.

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12/1/10 10:41 A

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Thanks for such a great response. I guess the bottom line is finding what works for me and helps me to achieve my goals. Obviously any of the plans by McDougall, Fuhrman, Barnard or Esselstyn are far better than the Standard American Diet. Thanks again for your input.

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12/1/10 9:22 A

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Funny this should come up. I have done Fuhrman's plan for a year and am at my first goal weight after losing 40 lbs. My cholesterol came down but not enough ( I am due for another check) I read Esselstyn and McDougall and am now decreasing fats/oils more as well as not eating as many nuts and upping the starch while keeping the high nutrient priciples as well. I felt like my weight loss was stalled and I was a bit lower energy. Adding starch adjusted both of those issues. That said, who knows. There may be unintended negatives to the switch to a more starch based diet, we shall see. But this is life and change is inevitable. I will never eat meats/fish/dairy again so my playing in the plant and starch realms does not worry me ;=)

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12/1/10 9:21 A

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I have several books and DVDs by Dr. McDougall. He is an awesome speaker and keeps you engaged throughout his lectures. His various publications are very instructive, plus his books have lots of great recipes. So I have a great deal of respect for him.
This session our First Place 4 Health Wellness Program reviewed four food pyramids, including Dr. Furhman's nutritarian pyramid which has green leafy vegetables as its base, and the various pyramids which have starches as their base. The starch based pyramids we studied include the government promoted Mypyramid. gov., the Mediterranean diet, and the vegetarian diet being promoted by Dr. McDougall.
Our experience indicates that there is no one diet that is suitable for everyone. We find that people who are carbohydrate-sensitive tend to do better on Dr. Furhman's vegetable based nutritarian plan. However, those who are not carbohydrate sensitive and also those who must watch their intake of Vitamin K, i.e., those who are on Coumadin and/or those who must watch the amount of oxalates in their diet,do better on one of the starch based diets.

Personally, I tend to be carbohydrate sensitive and I found that when I followed a starch based plan, my triglycerides tended to get higher. Additionally, eating too many carbs sometimes caused my cravings for sweets or sodium to kick in. For that reason, I find that I do better on Dr. Fuhrman's vegetable based plan.
One final note on my personal history. I do not have diabetes, but my family has a history of diabetes and other insulin resistance ailments. This might explain why I tend to be carbohydrate sensitive - either because of genes or because of eating habits I developed as a youngster.

But again, I am only sharing what works for me. I think everyone has to take note of how different foods affect their body and follow the plan that works for them. One thing for sure however, either one of the plans is better than the SAD plan I previously followed with all the added sugar, sodium and unhealthy fats.

Good luck on your journey to good health. May God guide you to the plan that will work best for you. emoticon emoticon

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It is very hard and confusing trying to make solid decisions when there are so many differing opinions. I am currently reading Dr. Neal Bernard's book Reversing Diabetes and he talks about how necessary the right carbs are in insulin regulation. I sort of take a little bit from several plans, choosing what makes the most sense to me. To make matters worse I recently read about food combining,some of it made sense but it gets just way to confusing.

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12/1/10 8:07 A

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They are both better than SAD. For me I can tell you that when I limit the grains I lose weight, when I don't, I don't. That said, I LOVE salads, but even as much as I love them sometimes I overdose on them, just CAN'T FACE ANOTHER SALAD! Right now I'm feeling that way about smoothies. I just DO NOT want another smoothie right now.

I think they both have their good points. Most of the time I eat ETL, but now and then I slide into a bit more McDougall. Through it all, MY common thread is that I stay vegan and I stay very low fat.

If the worse thing you do on ETL is eat too many whole grains, in my opinion, you'll be doing just fine.

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12/1/10 7:34 A

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Yesterday while reading The China Study, I learned that Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn based his books on the research and findings of Dr. John Mc Dougall. I went to Mc Dougall's website and listened to one of his lectures on the Starch Solution. He emphasizes eating starches as the cornerstone of his program whereas Dr. Fuhrman says "the salad is the main meal".

Have any of you read Dr. Mc Dougall's books or listened to his lectures? What are your thoughts about the differences in these two plans?

Grace and peace to you,

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