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5/16/09 3:31 A

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Cool. Thanx a lot for all this info!

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Julez

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5/15/09 12:45 P

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No it can't.

First of all, extra fat and essential fat are mutually exclusive. If you have extra fat it can't be essential.

Secondly, subcutaneous fat is below the skin and above muscle tissue. So muscle definition (the shape, size, and prominance of the outer layer of muscle tissue) is not visable through extra fat. Muscle tone is not visable under any circumstances, since it is a measure of functionality, not appearance. Muscular strength is to a significant degree dependent on the contractability and expansion of the core or deeper muscle tissue.

In other words, it is possible to have a high degree of visual muscle definition from a low degree of subcutaneous fat combined with the prominance, shape and size of outer muscle tissue. While many people assume that is a visual confirmation of muscle fitness and strength, it often isn't. Conversely, someone with excess subcutaneous fat and no visual muscle definition may have stronger and more functional muscles.

But, I gather your interest is primarily in appearance rather than fitness. So if you want to look less "flabby" then lose the extra fat through a combination of caloric deficit and strength training to maintain as much existing muscle mass as possible.

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5/15/09 11:49 A

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Wow, this is a lot of information. I will have to read this thread couple more times to be able to digest it all. Thanks for the feedback though.

But can you tell me one more thing, if possible in simple terms, does muscle flab have any effect on your appearence then? Can having the good muscle tone for instance make your "extra fat" especially if its the kind of fat your body programs you to store, like sort of "essntial fat" look less flabby?


I hope I'm making any sense. Today is my "off-diet day/ relaxation day" so I had couple of beers. emoticon



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Highest weight: approx. 141/142 lbs
Current weight: 132-129 lbs (fluctuates in between)
Goal weight: 120/118 lbs
Current BMI: 20.6-20.2
Highest BMI: around 22.1/22.3


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5/15/09 9:17 A

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By how well they support bodily functions like walking, lifting, bending, etc. There are a number of different tests and formulas used to estimate muscle strength for different muscle groups. For example, one is 1RM = (0.033 x RTF x load) + load where load is the amount of weight involved, RTF is the number of times that weight can be lifted and 1RM is the maximum weight that can be lifted one time.

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Willpower is nothing more than wishful thinking.

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5/14/09 2:08 P

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So how can you tell if your muscle are flabby or not?



Julez

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Highest weight: approx. 141/142 lbs
Current weight: 132-129 lbs (fluctuates in between)
Goal weight: 120/118 lbs
Current BMI: 20.6-20.2
Highest BMI: around 22.1/22.3


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5/8/09 6:24 A

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By smooth and more evenly spread out it sounds like you may be referring to cellulite which is deposits of subcutaneous fat within fibrous connective tissue (as in the thighs, hips, and buttocks) that give a puckered and dimpled appearance to the skin surface. Flab refers to a lack of resiliance or elastisity, whether that be skin, subcutaneous fat, or muscle tissue. If your muscles are flabby, they are not functionally fit, which is related to what I stated before about muscle tone. Subcutaneous fat functions as insullation and no type or amount of strength training has any affect on it's composition, location, or appearance. The same is true for skin where flab is usually the result of excessive or rapid fat loss or aging.

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5/8/09 4:22 A

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Hi guys. Thanks for the feedback.

I guess what I'm trying to say is...is it possible to have the fat on top of the muscle of your thighs but change the appearance of it...if that makes any sense, like make it more smooth and not flabby. So basically you still have all this fat but it looks more evenly spread out sort of.

I've been looking through some of the Pussycat Dolls pictures and many of the girls seem to have a body type very much like mine.

These 2 pictures especially attracted my attention- http://www.flickr.com/photos/allfamous/255
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http://pacificcoastnewsonline.celebuzz.c
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if you look at the thighs of the lead singer on the 1st picture, I bet she weights more than me but she looks what I guess is called "toned" and not flabby, same as the girl with the red hair on the 2nd picture.

I wonder, what do they do to make their thighs looks like this? I understand they do have some extra fat on their thighs too, right? Yet they do not look flabby or out of shape.

Any ideas?



Julez

5'7
Highest weight: approx. 141/142 lbs
Current weight: 132-129 lbs (fluctuates in between)
Goal weight: 120/118 lbs
Current BMI: 20.6-20.2
Highest BMI: around 22.1/22.3


 current weight: 124.8 
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127.5
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4/24/09 2:47 P

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I with ya on this one Carena. "Toning" seems to most often be used as a euphamism for a half baked "exercise plan" than accomplishes nothing other than wasting time.

Medically, the definition of muscle tone is the normal state of balanced tension in the tissues of the body, especially the muscles. In other words, it is the ability of muscles to function normally and has nothing to do with fat storage, muscle definition, or how you look.

Overall body shape is primarily genetic. That's not to say you can't reduce body fat or increase muscle strength and functionality, just that proportionally, over all body shape won't drastically change. So if for instance, your thighs are proportionally large as compared with your upper body (as most women's are), they will pretty much still maintain that proportional ratio regardless of body weight or body fat content.


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4/24/09 12:41 P

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CARENA,

Basically "toning' is a catch phrase which has no real meaning. In exercise scince the resistance of an unflexed muscle is called tonus. It has no visual effect. What perple call tone is the appearence of a well trained muscle with no overlying fatty tissue.

The genetics people refer to is often misunderstood or a misstatement. You genetics determines your body shape, muscularture and your overall composition. It can and will determine where you carry excess fat but that does not mean you can not lose it there along with anywhere else on your body. You can not spot reduce so it becomes a part of an overall body fat loss with those "favoured" areas losing it last. As a woman there are some parts of your body where you will alsways have a certain amount of fatty tissue, it is part of being a woman.

A well rounded fitness programme based on a combination of strength and cardio work with the bias towards the strength work combined with a solid nutrition programme will give you the results you want. I suggest you worry less about your weight than your measurements and how you feel and look.

Edited by: SERGEANTMAJOR at: 4/24/2009 (12:42)

It is called WORK-ing out for a reason.

I said getting fit was simple, I did not say it was easy.

Cardio burns calories, strength work burns fat.

Eat well to lose weight, exercise to get fit

You can not build a six pack using twelve packs


Often when we seek a magic bullet for fitness we end up shooting ourselves in the foot.

"I think calories are little germs in food that all moms are afraid of" Dennis the Menace

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4/24/09 11:16 A

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I think I've never grasped the concept of this completely. It says in some of the articles that some people's genetics program you to store fat in some places and in such cases no matter how much exercise you do, you're not gonna see the muscle definition there.

So what exactly will "toning up" do to you then or how is it gonna make you look? Like if your genetics program you to have some fat on your thighs and it makes them look out of shape, is there a point in doing any exercises for the purpose of re-shaping these areas?

I hope it makes sense what I'm sayin....

Edited by: CARENA at: 4/24/2009 (11:18)


Julez

5'7
Highest weight: approx. 141/142 lbs
Current weight: 132-129 lbs (fluctuates in between)
Goal weight: 120/118 lbs
Current BMI: 20.6-20.2
Highest BMI: around 22.1/22.3


 current weight: 124.8 
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