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5/28/21 1:39 P

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The soy is being used to feed livestock. Stats say that 26% of the Earth's unfrozen land is being used to farm livestock and an additional 33% of the Earth's croplands are used to feed livestock. There is also the matter of CAFOs polluting our drinking water and a significant percentage of the Earth's freshwater being used by the cattle industry. It is not debatable that our footprint on the planet would be significantly less if people moved towards a mostly plant-based diet. We are moving towards a population of 10 million humans and right now only about 35% of the planet is still wild / undeveloped. In the last 30 years, largely due to industrial agriculture / monocrops, we've lost up to 75% of our insect population. So it is a serious crisis. Every generation has been living it up and passing the buck. I'm 48 and have a 12 year old daughter. And I think we know that this generation who is growing up today won't be able to push it forward. As historical actors ... big businesses and world politics have slung a lot of weight in massively promoted our unsustainable modern lifestyles. But moving forward, now I think you have to say that every individual is accountable. Consciousness has to change. Our kids are going to have to deal with a very damaged world when they grow up. And yet, currently, the large majority of people are not paying attention and still consumption crazed and swimming in plastic ...

Switches towards a plant-based diet is one of the best things you can do for the environment, for animal rights (as many species are threatened ... the world becomes overpopulated by those animals humans want to eat ... a cow could live to be 20, but a dairy cow's lifespan averages just 5 yrs). I agree that it may not be 100% necessary, however. The new term being used now is "restorative agriculture." In this model, small scale livestock are used by no-till organic farmers who are growing a variety of crops (no monocrops) ... they're free-grazing over wide spaces and their manure is left where it falls. A system like this could work, but these are not CAFOs. As we climb towards 10 billion people on the planet, it would mean eating organic meat sparsingly. Throughout most of history, that's what homo sapiens did anyway. People never used to eat meat every day. Physical anthropologists analyzed the bones of gladiators found in a gladiator cemetery in ancient Rome ... and found that these ancient warriors were largely vegetarians ...

There's one more option that will be coming in the future - lab grown meat. Bill Gates is heavily funding this. Stay tuned for the state of Oregon to launch the first wide scale lab-grown meat product line within the next few years. First Gates made billions off of the home based computer. Now he's going to make a new round of billions with the first mass marketed petri dish beef burgers.

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5/28/21 12:03 P

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I've been a vegetarian for 35 years. I knew that it would be better for the environment and for my health to be a vegan. I started moving in that direction last year. It was easy for me to give up eggs (despite having some spoiled backyard hens ... as I grow older they've started to give me indigestion). And the family switched 100% from cow's milk to oat milk. However, it was really hard to become fully vegan and to give up cheese and milk chocolate products.

We took the plunge thsi Spring and my husband, 12 yo daughter and I have all been on a fully plant based diet for the past two months. It hasn't been that difficult, honestly, and I was able to immediately feel the impact on my health. I have more energy and have lost 7 lbs. I've been watching a lot of documentaries as I go through the transition. Did you know that the natural lifespan for a cow is 20 years ... but dairy cows live average no longer than 5 years. I know that clear cutting for livestock is a significant environmental problem, but reading this stat about how a cow's lifespan was so significantly shortened ... took an environmental issue and really brought it home as an animal rights issue as well ...

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2/6/21 6:44 P

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I'm not vegan but I eat far less neat than I once did. I love the Burger King Impossible burger and haven't had any other kind since I tried it nearly a year ago. I don't eat poultry and very little pork.

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I was vegetarian for 25 years, but had to quit because both my personal life didn't accommodate it anymore, and I learned that soy was problematic for thyroid issues (it's a goitrogen, & interferes with thyroid Rx) and soy was a huge part of my veg lifestyle. I would go vegan now and then when I was veg, but found it too difficult for others in my life which impacted my choices.

Now I've been eating meat for about a decade. I almost never eat it for bfast (not a bacon fan) and rarely for lunch (occasionally tuna/salmon/luncheon meat, but fairly rare) & do MeatlessMondays, so basically 6 meals a week. Often it's chicken, some salmon or othefish, or beef (I don't care for pork, except kielbasa). With Covid, & possible probs with meat supply chain, I've volunteered to go veg again so the rest of the household, who love their meat, can have my share (focusing more on pinto & black beans, also cheese, eggs, and other dairy).

When I went back to meat, I gained weight, even though I was eating more protein, which is supposed to be a weight loss strategy! But I've been losing again, as a carni. I *DO* (did, before covid) eat a BBBIIIGGG salad at dinnner most nights plus some veg sides, enough that spark always used to say I was getting too much fiber, but I had no problems and really needed it to feel full enough.

As to which is more 'green': both veg & carni lifestyles can have negative enviro impacts, I've read: Brazil is being clear-cut for soy & Indonesia, endangering orangutans, for palm oils (used a lot in veg fast foods) but animal husbandry is inefficient means of calorie consumption. I think it's most important to strive to be as much of a locavore as possible, because then efficiencies of scale are maximized with minimal energy use. Normally I support the farmer's market up the street (closed now) & the food co-op downtown which REALLY emphasizes local (not shopping there currently as I can't get everything my fam needs in one trip); I'm going to one of 2 big box chains (alternate) and one of them *does* emphasize local, at least in the produce department.

I've also been a gardener for decades & have grown varying amounts of food in different years. I've also lived with some vegans (toward the end of my 25 years of veg) & found them to be too fussy about sourcing occasionally, or focused on trivialities in ingredient list (or so it seemed to me), though often I would strive to be vegan with them. But then travelling was a big pain functioning as a vegan, in many circumstances. Now, I'm literally a flexitarian, & happy to be flexible for my fam in this time of possible food supply chain issues.

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I've been vegetarian for a decade for a combo of environmental reasons and preference (never liked the Smell of cooked meat). The only small products I consume is cheese from local dairies and local honey.

Other than being overweight, I'm healthy. Low blood pressure, cholesterols good, and I'm not anemic. I do have to take a vitamin b supplement.

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I'm not a Vegan (yet). Strongly considering becoming a full-fledged vegetarian. Mostly because every time I eat meat anymore I feel yucky. Especially feel bad after eating pork. Never ever thought I would say that. When I eat vegetarian I feel nourished and energetic. I definitely try to avoid " processed fake food" I actually strive to eat as a Nurtitarian. Basically vegetarian but the highest nutrient contents possible. My biggest obstacles are it's new for me and I have to plan a little more. Second obstacle is pleasing my husband too. I think he may truly agree soon. emoticon emoticon emoticon

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So vegan clothing restrictions would include feathers, fur, wool, and leather, that I can think of offhand. Oh, and silk. Are there others?
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8/27/12 11:47 A

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A friend of mine was advised by her doctor to follow a vegan diet following her heart attack and cardiac surgery, so It would appear that some doctors are convinced that it can be better for us.
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8/26/12 1:28 P

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Nicole makes some interesting points; however, not all parts of the country are as committed to or have access to locally-grown produce, cage-free, or grass-fed foods. Many of our nation's poorest citizens eat things like "fruit cocktail" in the can as their fruit portions for the day. While it's not the healthiest choice, it could be their only one. (And more than a few people in other social classes have the same lack of exposure to healthy living as well.)

I saw an inspirational story on television once about some farmers in New York or Maryland who provide school children with two bags of fresh fruits and vegetables at the beginning of every week. They are aware that if they didn't share the wealth of food and information about healthy eating, many of those children and their families would have no fresh fruits or vegetables at all. I find their sacrifice, caring, and willingness to share what they have demonstrates a unique perspective about the plight of others! emoticon

I think it's discouraging and may turn people off to healthier foods options when they are left with the impression that those who have committed to healthier lifestyles appear arrogant or judgmental. It certainly doesn't engender confidence or inspiration when people feel judged by those who are simply fortunate to know and do better with their lifestyle choices. emoticon emoticon

In fact, I don't recall learning anything about the vegan lifestyle over my lifetime ... this could be a forum where helpful information about it could be shared -- I know I'd like to learn more, perhaps others would too. emoticon

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I respect every person's choice to eat as he or she chooses. Eating is complex, and so are our attitudes, memories and associations with different foods. Many people have the desire to beliefs to eat a certain way but run into other obstacles that make it challenging. I don't consider that weakness or lack of commitment, although I know some others do.

Personally, veganism is not for me. I find it much more beneficial to the environment to eat local, seasonal, minimally processed foods. I am, however, a vegetarian for ethical and environmental reasons, and choose cage-free eggs from a local farm as well as organic, grass-fed dairy products as often as possible. I am not sure whether I believe veganism or vegetarianism is "natural" or even "healthier" than an omnivorous diet (or vice versa); I do believe that the human body is amazingly adaptable and will find a way to adapt to almost any kind of diet. Human history has shown that. People can live and thrive on a WIDE variety of diets that include or exclude animal products and in different amounts.

I think every body responds differently to different types of diets. Some people can thrive as vegan or vegetarian. Others can't--even if they ate exactly the same way. As long as we are all striving to be our best people and do good, I think that is what matters most.

Personally, as a vegetarian for 10+ years, I still accept the fact that I might not be veg forever. At some point, eating meat may make more sense to me than abstaining from it. I'm open minded to that. These days, finding sustainably and ethically raised meat is so easy that people with those concerns have a lot of options these days, too.

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8/19/12 12:35 P

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While there are a few people in my office who eat vegan, they seem unhappy with their choice and all of them are far too thin (skeletal bodies!) A couple of them talk about their desire to eat bacon every now and again, and how a good steak is something they sorely miss. One of them is vegan against his own wishes: his wife forces him to eat this way, and he's a grown man who has to hide "snacks" in his own home. Either they're not fully committed to their vegan lifestyle, or they actually don't know enough about how to do it (the right way, if there is such a thing). Either way, I'm not impressed enough to follow along. emoticon

Everything I do know about eating this way is negative and I'm so new at healthy living, that I haven't taken the time to learn anything new at this point (I'm still a newbie at SP).

I can say that while learning to eat healthier with SP, I am willing to consider all healthy lifestyle changes; however, at this time, I am not willing to make such a drastic change based on my exposure to it. emoticon

I think at some point, I will look for the resources on this site to help inform me. I'll check back with this thread also, to see if I can learn anything else new. Thanks for posting this subject!
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after listening a lot of doctors and nutritionists i have been vegan for 6 months. any doctor that tells you must eat meat and dairy is a bad doctor. very few doctors spend the time to learn about nutrition and prevention (their is no money to be made if people don't get sick). the human body (our teeth and intestines) were not designed to eat meat, plus without tools we can't eat meat so our natural food is what we can just gather and eat.

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Thank you for pointing out that there are different types of vegan. I was thinking mostly of dietary, but there are Ethical and Environmental Veganism, and probably some others as well.

I could use advice on this. Does someone know, were the Jains in India the original promoters of vegetarianism and veganism?

Since cows are so damaging to the environment because they are ruminants and their systems produce methane, I've been trying to eat less cheese and milk, but am not very successful yet. I love cheese, and so many things contain milk! Am trying to use more soy instead. Want to try making a low salt tofu stew.
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No, financial reasons due to the restrictions on clothing, etc. Although I try to make healthy vegetarian choices as often as possible.

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No, can't. Need my meat. Even my ND told me I do.

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