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12/3/09 8:06 P

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That has happened to me as well. I went out with my skinny meat-eating friend. I ordered a salad and she ordered at bacon burger. I was given the burger and when I said that I didnt order it the lady gave me a look and was like oh uh sorry. It is sad when that happens but I try not to take in personally.

Megaera0529 I had something like that happen to me today. I bought some Morning Star Farms stuff, Tofu and soy milk and the lady asked about the weight loss too. I told her that I was a vegetarian not for weight loss but for ethical reasons.

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I went into Evo's recently and ordered a veggie burger and got a very quiet almost under his breath "awesome" from the order taker. I thought that was kinda' cute.

Positive experience for me in that respect.

What is REALLY interesting is my experiences in the supermarkets when purchasing veggie/vegan items (boca burgers, etc.). I've had three instances where the checkout person was female and has asked me if I was eating this to lose weight, that they'd heard you could lose a lot of weight that way.

I figure it's better to be honest and I tell them that while I have lost quite a bit of weight, it was before I became a veggie, haven't been one too terribly long but that I'd guess it would be just as easy to be a fat veggie as a non-fat one but that since becoming a veggie I felt a lot healthier.

I'd love to encourage someone to become veggie or vegan but not preach at them. I had issues in the past with folks being a bit to "preachy" about being vegetarian and it was actually a gentle accepting "do what you will" vegan that got me further down the veggie road and got me to rethink some things.

Don't know if that makes sense and not sure how I wandered off on that tangent . . .

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when i was a meat eater, i would order a steak, hubby chicken. the server would give hubby my steak and me the chicken. i guess that steak is a guy thing?!?

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Hey guys! A really awesome vegan forum is www.theppk.com . You can find TONS of information on accidently vegan stuff, recipes, etc...
Sorry I'm posting a lot in so many threads tonight, I was on this website about a year ago but then my computer broke and I lost motivation. It's back now though! :]

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7/30/09 4:34 P

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These ones obviously are not-FYI-the last post-was the nutritional info for regular oreos.
OREO SANDWICH COOKIES MILK CHOCOLATE COVERED MINT 4 CT





Ingredients: MILK CHOCOLATE (SUGAR, COCOA BUTTER, MILK CHOCOLATE, SOY LECITHIN - AN EMULSIFIER, VANILLIN - AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, SALT), ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE [B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID), SUGAR, PALM OIL, COCOA (PROCESS WITH ALKALI), HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, DEXTROSE, BAKING SODA, CORNSTARCH, SALT, SOY LECITHIN (EMULSIFIER), PEPPERMINT OIL, CHOCOLATE, VANILLIN-AN ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR.







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Oreos-
Ingredients: SUGAR, ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR), NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMINE MONONITRATE {VITAMIN B1}, RIBOFLAVIN {VITAMIN B2}, FOLIC ACID, HIGH OLEIC CANOLA OIL AND/OR PALM OIL AND/OR CANOLA OIL, COCOA (PROCESSED WITH ALKALI), GLYCERIN, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, FRUCTOSE, EMULSIFIERS (SOY LECITHIN, POLYGLYCEROL ESTERS OF FATTY ACIDS, ACETYLATED MONOGLYCERIDES, MONO-AND DIGLYCERIDES, DATEM), CORNSTARCH, LEAVENING (BAKING SODA AND/OR CALCIUM PHOSPHATE), SALT, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, CHOCOLATE. CONTAINS: WHEAT, SOY.

Now personally I get confused still with label reading-so I'm not sure what all of these things are. I did note that it doesn't clarify if the chocolate is made with milk or not, but other then that I don't SEE anything obvious (which means little since I don't know what half of these things are). But maybe this will help the curiosity? Cause I know I am curious if they ARE vegan or not. emoticon

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I was reading the ingredients on the label.

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VEGANWOMAN Posts: 22
7/30/09 9:34 A

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What did you read? They are listed as vegan with PETA's list of accidently vegan foods.

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7/30/09 6:48 A

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Yup. Oreos are absolutely vegan, and I was so surprised when I found out. There's actually an ice cream shop here in Cleveland that also serves vegan ice cream and they make a super yummy vegan oreo ice cream pie.

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7/29/09 3:49 P

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Oreos? Vegan? That's not what I read on the ingredient labels...

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VEGANWOMAN Posts: 22
7/29/09 2:20 P

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They aren't "specialty" alcohols. For the most part, they are regular brands, sold in regualar liquor shops, that happen to be vegan (aka accidently vegan, like oreos, some poptarts, and Cherrios for example.)

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7/29/09 11:47 A

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I honestly don't fuss if my alcohol is vegan ... I need it for pain, and I'm not going to track down specialty alcohols which probably cost more and certainly aren't at my local stores.

For cheese, yes, most veggie cheeses are not vegan - some are, I get those.

And I agree - the server SHOULD be able to remember who ordered what, it's their job, but if they don't, they should announce the food and wait for someone to claim it.

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7/28/09 1:27 P

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I think there is a prejudice against "fat" people in North American culture. I taught English in Korea, and I had two conversations with people that made me laugh.

The first one a student said "I hear in English it's really rude to call someone fat" I told him he was right and he said "so then how do you say it?".

The second one was a Korean English teacher. We went out with some of her friends and discovered her nickname was "Piggy". We were sort of shocked and she said "Oh I know in English that sounds really mean, but it's not mean in Korean. They just mean that I'm a little bit chubby and I like to eat a lot." The same meaning it would have in English, but without any negative connotation.


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7/28/09 1:08 P

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I don't have a list, but besides wine, bear and other liquor not usually being vegan, most veggy "cheeses" are not vegan. They can be soy cheese but use casin as an ingredient. Casin is a milk protein.

Most regular cheese isn't even vegetarian. They use rennet. "A crucial ingredient in the production of most commercial cheeses is an enzyme that comes from the lining of the stomach of calves,called rennet. Sometimes an enzyme from pigs is also used." From this site: http://www.natural-connection.com/resource
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7/28/09 1:01 P

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That's a good point, I recently started making my own wine and realized that shellfish or gelatin is mostly used to clarify wines. Has anyone put together a list of foods that of foods that contain animal products that you wouldn't expect? Marshmallows, many yogurts, etc.?

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7/28/09 11:32 A

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I've never had this happen to me, but I'd be pretty angry if it did. But I am one of those people who isn't afraid to speak to the manager at the end of the meal and let them know how happy or unhappy I was with the food, service, etc. And, not that this is the reason I do it, part of our meal usually ends up being comp'd if we had a bad dinning experience.

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7/28/09 10:03 A

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I don't know specifically about Rum (vegan or not) but generally speaking, most liquour is not vegan. You can find vegan liquor, but you have to look for it.

http://www.veganconnection.com/notvegan.
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http://veganconnection.com/veganwine.htm

http://veganproducts.org/drinks.html



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7/28/09 4:21 A

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it took a lot of candy bars, ice cream and pizza to get my butt so big, lol!

seriously though, the whole experience with the servers at restaurants is sad, and has happened to me before. it is also a sign of a server doing a bad job...he or she should be announcing the dish and then wait for someone to "claim" it instead of assuming! when something like that happens you can always anonymously send a note or email to the management, just so they know and so they can train their servers NOT to make such assumptions.

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HA! Mine was alcohol since my doctor refuses to prescribe pain meds for my level of pain, plus too many starchy carbs for my physiology. Plus fast food on expo days. Plus I can't exercise anymore.

Rum is vegan, right? LOL!!!

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heheehhe-I think mine was pizza and icecream.

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lol, FEELINSKINNY. For me it was ice cream and fries that got my butt this big!! emoticon emoticon



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7/26/09 2:34 P

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Remember that most of us didn't become overweight by eating well! It took a lot of Mountain Dew and donuts for my butt to get this big.

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i've never actually said anything about it. i don't make a scene or anything. it was just something i've observed and i found it really curious. i'd hate for someone to actually get really insulted by it though.

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Hrmm, I have never experienced that myself but that's good that you noticed it, because if it's happening to you consistently, 9 times out of 10 it's probably happening to others as well. Maybe you can say something about it if it's really bothering you? Not that it will automatically change, but...*shrug* Sorry to hear you're being insulted though.

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We run into that kind of thing too. I wish they'd keep our orders straight, but we don't make a fuss and just swap plates.

We end up eating off each other's plates most of the time anyway ....

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It's definitely a bit ignorant. It's like food profiling emoticon . I've had the same experience as Giant Steps. Before I went vegetarian I loved bacon cheeseburgers and my ex-boyfriend always ordered chicken. When our meals would come out the server always tried to give my burger to the guy. That we always laughed off.

PS. I was at an event with this extremely petite-maybe 5'0" 90 lb-woman last weekend. That girl ordered a bacon burger with sweet potato fries and ate the whole thing. I told her she was my hero b/c I hate it when skinny girls pick at what they eat.

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I notice the same thing related to gender.

When I'm at a restaurant with my omnivorous wife I order vegetarian and she orders a meat entree. The food runners almost always assume my wife is the vegetarian.

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I think there's a difference between "overweight" (in clinical terms) and what people think of as "fat." So, yes, although the majority of Americans are overweight, being "fat" is much more subjective.

Anyway, I'm sorry you've experienced this prejudice. Hopefully the servers don't mean anything by it. Stereotypes exist so that we can reach decisions more quickly, and since servers at restaurants are typically rushed, I can see how that could happen. Maybe by continuing to eat healthily you can be part of changing people's minds!

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7/24/09 1:51 P

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You might be right about fat prejudice. However, that is very ironic to me since 63% of Americans are overweight.

If the majority are overweight yet prejudice is rising -- who are these people who have this prejudice? Are they overweight people themselves who have the "fat prejudice?"

Must be since the majority of people are in the category of "fat."

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This is something that my husband and I have noticed over the years; most servers give me the vegetarian meal, and my husband the carnivore meal. They just assume that "the man" would be the meat eater. It doesn't bother me. It's just an observation.

I think that prejudice against overweight people may be getting worse. Or maybe I'm just more sensitive to it since I've gained weight. Either way, I don't like it!!! I personally believe that the world would be a really boring place if everyone was the same.




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Unfortunately I think we will be dealing Fat Prejudice for a long time to come.

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I haven't really experienced that-but I think it's sad that others do. It's not hard (having been a server myself) to say the name of the food item and wait for someone to claim it before setting it down. To make an assumption and then allow it to show in your behavior-that is a rude. If the plate is "too hot" they should start with that item-sure, but it should be "cheeseburger?" then set it in front of the person who claims it. Not "is this yours?". that's rude. I generally limit my out of house dining to upscale restaurants and if the server did that-frankly I'd complaim.
Mind you-in younger days I tended towards more family oriented place, complaining would have only gotten a stare-but it's still rude behavior and lack of class on the part of the server.

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i don't really take it that personally. more of a curiosity thing. i actually find it a little funny when it turns out that i am making a healthier choice and other people are surprised by it. i suppose that i am a little biased, having often received those kinds of "we better get to the food before she eats it all" kinds of comments. or being snorted at like a pig by a passing stranger. being overweight conditions you to believe that most people are judging you. whether or not they are is up for debate.

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You might be right, the waiter might be associating the greasy burger with a bigger gal. Then again, the waiter might not be thinking anything at all, and just trying to unload the heavy hot plates as quickly as possible and you are closest. Or neither of the above scenarios. What difference does it make? Don't concern yourself with what the waiter thinks of you. "What others think of me is none of my business."

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I've noticed this sometimes too but I try not to take it personally. I'm usually in the opposite situation where I'll order pasta or a veggie burger while my husband orders a salad. The servers always try to give the salad to me which then always makes me think I probably should have ordered the salad. Oh well!

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I would just assume that the person delivering/serving the food does not have access to the ticket where the person who took the order wrote the order. (Or maybe has not been trained to 'read' the ticket)? Don't take it personal. Who knows? Maybe they just thought you would be 'living it up' with a cheesy thing... hahahahaha



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ditto. you said all.

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i don't know if any of you have had this experience before but i often go out to eat with much skinnier friends. if the person bringing out our food is not the same person that took our order [and even in some cases when they are the same person], about 90% of the time they assume that i ordered the greasy cheeseburger instead of the salad and look very confused when they try to hand it to me. i normally order a salad, soup, or a veggie burger while my friends tend to splurge. i try not to take this offensively but i do think that it's a little disheartening when the server assumes that i could not possibly be the one ordering a healthy meal. do you guys have any experience with this?

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